do you really need to work your tri-ceps in isolation? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

OnePack · 22-06-2005, 03:48 PM

The reason I ask is because I have changed my routine to chest (bench/ inclined flys) and shoulders (shoulder press/shrugs/etc) on the same session, and after working these body parts I find I am completely "kackered" and can't do some tricep excercises (extentions for example) so do you guys think it is sufficient to not work the triceps in isolation?

Also, if you do close grip bench press (to work the tris more) then would that be hitting all the 3 heads?

Captain Hero · 22-06-2005, 03:53 PM

Not really mate ive always thought you dont really need to work them too much if your doing big exercises like benching and dips. Not sure about close grip bench hitting all three heads though mate, Dips and I think skull krushers do.

samurai69 · 22-06-2005, 03:58 PM

I used to think the same as cap, but since working arms on a separate day my strength has gone up not only on arms but also on chest and back work.

CG bench press with an EZ bar works all 3 heads IMHO

OnePack · 22-06-2005, 04:04 PM

What about bench but holding the bar in the middle (with hands close together)? I've never seen anyone do them except for me.

stu_moon · 22-06-2005, 04:25 PM

hands close together or touching puts more stress on the wrists. stuff I've read seems to say keep em about 10 inches apart. thoughts from other guys ?

samurai69 · 22-06-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatracaBergFan

What about bench but holding the bar in the middle (with hands close together)? I've never seen anyone do them except for me.

Its a good exercise, a lot of people are not confident in doing it, GO FOR IT

**big** · 22-06-2005, 06:57 PM

No. IMO, you don't need any isolation work at all.

Just do the compounds (in the case of triceps, bench press) and you will grow fine.

DB · 22-06-2005, 07:01 PM

i do them now and again./...about once a month probably

Biker · 22-06-2005, 09:28 PM

I know many get good results without isolating arms so I'm not saying they're wrong, but I have to punish my arms hard to get them to grow, always have had to, so in my case isolation yes!

Tuna_boi · 26-06-2005, 10:11 PM

Same here i have to do isolation..

I do close grip bench with a straight bar same as bergfan does em. Dips are good as well.

Biker · 27-06-2005, 02:27 PM

CGB is a good tricep exercise, as are dips and pushdowns, but for me the king of them all will always be skullcrushers!

**robdog** · 27-06-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Biker

CGB is a good tricep exercise, as are dips and pushdowns, but for me the king of them all will always be skullcrushers!

Shame you never actually crushed your skull though ay??? :lift:

rich81 · 27-06-2005, 03:32 PM

Biker im with you on that, All the big tricep exercises are good but Skullcrushers are the definately the king, going back to CGB, why not try doing them on the smith machine and bring the bar down high on your chest keeping in your eldows to your sides and it feels like a kind on skullcrusher pressing movement and really isolates the tri's rather than put the focus on the chest which can easily happen.

samurai69 · 27-06-2005, 03:37 PM

Clos grip bench presses on a decline bench, using the narrowest part of an ez bar. Fantastic exercise, Tris are getting way stronger and bench press is shooting up as well

rich81 · 27-06-2005, 03:41 PM

ive got shoulders and tri's tonight i will try that one out samurai, cheers mate

how far up or down do you lower the bar too, for example in line with the nipples or neck etc?

22-06-2005, 03:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
OnePack UK-M's Mascot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 1,503	do you really need to work your tri-ceps in isolation? The reason I ask is because I have changed my routine to chest (bench/ inclined flys) and shoulders (shoulder press/shrugs/etc) on the same session, and after working these body parts I find I am completely "kackered" and can't do some tricep excercises (extentions for example) so do you guys think it is sufficient to not work the triceps in isolation? Also, if you do close grip bench press (to work the tris more) then would that be hitting all the 3 heads?

22-06-2005, 07:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,762	i do them now and again./...about once a month probably __________________ Affiliate of Bulk Supplements Direct Discount Code= BSD290 UKBFF southcoast 2008, O80kg Champion

22-06-2005, 03:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Captain Hero strongest straight person on UKM (as everyone else is gay) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 6,919	Not really mate ive always thought you dont really need to work them too much if your doing big exercises like benching and dips. Not sure about close grip bench hitting all three heads though mate, Dips and I think skull krushers do.

22-06-2005, 03:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
samurai69 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mid Portugal - by the sea Posts: 3,075	I used to think the same as cap, but since working arms on a separate day my strength has gone up not only on arms but also on chest and back work. CG bench press with an EZ bar works all 3 heads IMHO

22-06-2005, 04:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
OnePack UK-M's Mascot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 1,503	What about bench but holding the bar in the middle (with hands close together)? I've never seen anyone do them except for me.

22-06-2005, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
stu_moon Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 27	hands close together or touching puts more stress on the wrists. stuff I've read seems to say keep em about 10 inches apart. thoughts from other guys ?

22-06-2005, 06:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The only side effect of steroids is GREATNESS Posts: 5,511	No. IMO, you don't need any isolation work at all. Just do the compounds (in the case of triceps, bench press) and you will grow fine.

22-06-2005, 09:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,802	I know many get good results without isolating arms so I'm not saying they're wrong, but I have to punish my arms hard to get them to grow, always have had to, so in my case isolation yes!

26-06-2005, 10:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tuna_boi Official Uk-Muscle Mascot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Banded Posts: 931	Same here i have to do isolation.. I do close grip bench with a straight bar same as bergfan does em. Dips are good as well.

27-06-2005, 02:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
Biker Part of the UK-M furniture... gathering dust in the corner :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,802	CGB is a good tricep exercise, as are dips and pushdowns, but for me the king of them all will always be skullcrushers!

27-06-2005, 03:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
rich81 ironworx gym swindon Join Date: May 2005 Location: Swindon Posts: 85	Biker im with you on that, All the big tricep exercises are good but Skullcrushers are the definately the king, going back to CGB, why not try doing them on the smith machine and bring the bar down high on your chest keeping in your eldows to your sides and it feels like a kind on skullcrusher pressing movement and really isolates the tri's rather than put the focus on the chest which can easily happen.

27-06-2005, 03:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
samurai69 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mid Portugal - by the sea Posts: 3,075	Clos grip bench presses on a decline bench, using the narrowest part of an ez bar. Fantastic exercise, Tris are getting way stronger and bench press is shooting up as well

27-06-2005, 03:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
rich81 ironworx gym swindon Join Date: May 2005 Location: Swindon Posts: 85	ive got shoulders and tri's tonight i will try that one out samurai, cheers mate how far up or down do you lower the bar too, for example in line with the nipples or neck etc?