Quick question for you... - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

12-07-2003, 05:48 PM

Although i've never been a body builder i am no stranger to the gym, my problem is that over recent years my work and social life has got in the way of my working out and i'm about two stone over weight (the wrong type of weight).

Is it possible to start a body building program now, or would you suggest that i trim down a bit first and then start to build muscle mass. I am 185cm tall, and weigh 17 stones exactly.

Thanks,
John.

12-07-2003, 07:17 PM

Lose weight and build muscle at the same time!!

Use the excess baggage as energy.

It's never too late to start getting healthy, and become a decent bodybuilder!!

31-07-2003, 04:59 PM

Hi Johnk
I am relatively inexperienced but have been in the same boat as you, and to some extent still trying to get out of it! The principle I have been taught is that you should train to build muscle and the fat will take care of itself. This is based on:

Big lean muscles require more energy, thereore burining more calories. The trianing itself requires lots of energy /cals
Muscle recovery and repair requires a lot of energy, which burns calories while you sleep.

What I have done over the last year is stay more or less the same weight, but have changed shape considerably in all the right areas.

Bengdogg · 31-07-2003, 06:29 PM

Hit the gym now bud make those muscles show through as the fat drops off you'll be pleased with the results. What Joel says above is pretty much what happened to me and i was eating like a mofo whatever i wanted

**hackskii** · 26-10-2003, 12:19 AM

Yes, hit some resistance training. This burns more cal's than aerobics. Remember the bigger your chest and shoulders are the smaller the waist looks. If you had some big shoulders who cares what the waist looks like, you only will be able to see it (waist) if you dont have a shirt on. Your strength will be up with the weight up. Now is prime, you will see good results and this will keep you in the gym. I would hit the big muscle groups like legs, chest, shoulders and back. Forget about the abs until the waist goes down. Remember these are muscles too and they will build as well. Start out slow and do maybe one or two sets to FAILURE per body part. Take it from there how you feel.
You will build faster than a guy that has never hit the gym as muscle has memory. Start slow and dont do too much. You can go in and do 2 sets per body part to failure and work the whole body. Wait 3 days and do this again.

robin_3_16 · 26-10-2003, 06:04 PM

turn the fat into muscle too man, never hurts too have small reserves and turning fat into muscle is easy creating muscle from no fat is hard!

BSF James · 01-12-2003, 08:04 PM

That age old myth again - 'I need to lose weight before I can start training'. I'd love to know where that idea originated but it couldn't be more wrong.

'Weight training is not just for bodybuilders. Anyone wishing to gain muscle and lose fat will benefit from incorporating it into their fitness program. Many wishing to lose weight (espescially women) steer clear of weight training, when in fact they should be doing more of it. When losing weight, you want to make sure that it is fat you are losing, and by weight training you do that by preserving muscle tissue (use it or lose it!) that would otherwise be lost instead of fat. Also, the more muscle you have, the faster your metabolism (i.e. the more fat you burn). People who try to lose weight without lifting weights usually end up as just a smaller version of themselves, if they were pear shaped to begin with they end up looking just like a smaller pear.' - from bodyshapersfitness.com

What I would recommend to you John is to follow a basic bodybuilding program - perhaps a three day split - and maybe do 1 or 2 short, intense cardio sessions a week. Then just clean up your diet and you should be adding muscle and burning fat in no time. When you first start training regularly, you will see good gains in strength and eventually muscle.

If you put on one pound of muscle, that pound will burn an extra 40 calories a day to survive. That’s 40 more calories a day just when you're at rest - you'll also increase the number of calories you burn while exercising. These extra calories will come from your fat stores.

So long as you follow a good diet and aren't actively trying to gain weight (i.e. bulking) then as joelewie said if you hit the weights, the fat will take care of itself.

Hope that helps - good luck mate!

OnePack · 16-03-2004, 04:48 PM

i'd work on building muscle mass and the fat should come off with the right diet and exercises

GoldenArrow · 02-04-2004, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robin_3_16

turning fat into muscle is easy

Or even...turning fat into muscle is impossible.

Even so, I would bulk up a bit unless you are very overweight, since the increased muscle mass will increase your calorie needs making it easier to lose the fat when you want to.

Panthro · 03-04-2004, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robin_3_16

turn the fat into muscle too man, never hurts too have small reserves and turning fat into muscle is easy creating muscle from no fat is hard!

AHHHHHHHH.

fat cannot turn into muscle, and muscle cannot turn into fat.

They are two totally different compounds. It is like turning lead into gold...

**hackskii** · 03-04-2004, 04:00 AM

Hey panthro, If I was starving to death somewhere that fat would be as good as gold for survival.

Nice Silent, Just hit the gym first then diet later.

Panthro · 03-04-2004, 01:17 PM

lol hackskii! It might be good as gold, but it aint gonna turn to muscle!! ;)

T-man · 03-04-2004, 10:15 PM

[quote]
AHHHHHHHH.
fat cannot turn into muscle, and muscle cannot turn into fat.
They are two totally different compounds. It is like turning lead into gold...

LOL. That really gets me to when all my friends that don't workout keep telling me that when I stop all my muscle will turn to fat or how they just joined a gym and are turning all their fat to muscle.

Panthro · 03-04-2004, 10:28 PM

lol, mate, i get it every day...

"you do know that when you stop training its all going to turn to fat dont you??"

AHHHHHHH. It drives me mental.... I go off on a long rant... soon shuts them up though...w@nkers....

robin_3_16 · 04-04-2004, 12:09 PM

i didn't mean turn the fat literally into muscle i meant use the fat as fuel to turn it into muscle eat well yes
but turn the fat into muscle it is possible sorry i didn't explain myself i know you cannot do it in the literal sense
its like saying if you work abs your fat will disappear
your abs just get bigger and you lose fat and they begin to show through
i do know anyway i made myself sound stupid!

12-07-2003, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
JohnK Guest Posts: n/a	Quick question for you... Although i've never been a body builder i am no stranger to the gym, my problem is that over recent years my work and social life has got in the way of my working out and i'm about two stone over weight (the wrong type of weight). Is it possible to start a body building program now, or would you suggest that i trim down a bit first and then start to build muscle mass. I am 185cm tall, and weigh 17 stones exactly. Thanks, John.

31-07-2003, 06:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
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26-10-2003, 12:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,461	Yes, hit some resistance training. This burns more cal's than aerobics. Remember the bigger your chest and shoulders are the smaller the waist looks. If you had some big shoulders who cares what the waist looks like, you only will be able to see it (waist) if you dont have a shirt on. Your strength will be up with the weight up. Now is prime, you will see good results and this will keep you in the gym. I would hit the big muscle groups like legs, chest, shoulders and back. Forget about the abs until the waist goes down. Remember these are muscles too and they will build as well. Start out slow and do maybe one or two sets to FAILURE per body part. Take it from there how you feel. You will build faster than a guy that has never hit the gym as muscle has memory. Start slow and dont do too much. You can go in and do 2 sets per body part to failure and work the whole body. Wait 3 days and do this again. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

26-10-2003, 06:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
robin_3_16 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,461	turn the fat into muscle too man, never hurts too have small reserves and turning fat into muscle is easy creating muscle from no fat is hard! __________________ Robin

01-12-2003, 08:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
BSF James BodyShapers Fitness MD Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Telford Posts: 1,252	That age old myth again - 'I need to lose weight before I can start training'. I'd love to know where that idea originated but it couldn't be more wrong. 'Weight training is not just for bodybuilders. Anyone wishing to gain muscle and lose fat will benefit from incorporating it into their fitness program. Many wishing to lose weight (espescially women) steer clear of weight training, when in fact they should be doing more of it. When losing weight, you want to make sure that it is fat you are losing, and by weight training you do that by preserving muscle tissue (use it or lose it!) that would otherwise be lost instead of fat. Also, the more muscle you have, the faster your metabolism (i.e. the more fat you burn). People who try to lose weight without lifting weights usually end up as just a smaller version of themselves, if they were pear shaped to begin with they end up looking just like a smaller pear.' - from bodyshapersfitness.com What I would recommend to you John is to follow a basic bodybuilding program - perhaps a three day split - and maybe do 1 or 2 short, intense cardio sessions a week. Then just clean up your diet and you should be adding muscle and burning fat in no time. When you first start training regularly, you will see good gains in strength and eventually muscle. If you put on one pound of muscle, that pound will burn an extra 40 calories a day to survive. That’s 40 more calories a day just when you're at rest - you'll also increase the number of calories you burn while exercising. These extra calories will come from your fat stores. So long as you follow a good diet and aren't actively trying to gain weight (i.e. bulking) then as joelewie said if you hit the weights, the fat will take care of itself. Hope that helps - good luck mate! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. -Now with FREE shipping available on all UK mainland orders! 5% off your first order - use discount code ukm6. The #1 choice for To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. with rapid, reliable service. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - research backed sports nutrition.

12-07-2003, 07:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
bodyfit Guest Posts: n/a	Lose weight and build muscle at the same time!! Use the excess baggage as energy. It's never too late to start getting healthy, and become a decent bodybuilder!!

31-07-2003, 04:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
joelewie Guest Posts: n/a	Hi Johnk I am relatively inexperienced but have been in the same boat as you, and to some extent still trying to get out of it! The principle I have been taught is that you should train to build muscle and the fat will take care of itself. This is based on: Big lean muscles require more energy, thereore burining more calories. The trianing itself requires lots of energy /cals Muscle recovery and repair requires a lot of energy, which burns calories while you sleep. What I have done over the last year is stay more or less the same weight, but have changed shape considerably in all the right areas.

16-03-2004, 04:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
OnePack UK-M's Mascot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 1,494	i'd work on building muscle mass and the fat should come off with the right diet and exercises __________________ Thank you.

03-04-2004, 04:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,461	Hey panthro, If I was starving to death somewhere that fat would be as good as gold for survival. Nice Silent, Just hit the gym first then diet later. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-04-2004, 01:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	lol hackskii! It might be good as gold, but it aint gonna turn to muscle!! ;) __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

03-04-2004, 10:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
T-man Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: England Posts: 253	[quote] AHHHHHHHH. fat cannot turn into muscle, and muscle cannot turn into fat. They are two totally different compounds. It is like turning lead into gold... LOL. That really gets me to when all my friends that don't workout keep telling me that when I stop all my muscle will turn to fat or how they just joined a gym and are turning all their fat to muscle. __________________ You can't grow without pain!

03-04-2004, 10:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	lol, mate, i get it every day... "you do know that when you stop training its all going to turn to fat dont you??" AHHHHHHH. It drives me mental.... I go off on a long rant... soon shuts them up though...w@nkers.... __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

04-04-2004, 12:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
robin_3_16 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,461	i didn't mean turn the fat literally into muscle i meant use the fat as fuel to turn it into muscle eat well yes but turn the fat into muscle it is possible sorry i didn't explain myself i know you cannot do it in the literal sense its like saying if you work abs your fat will disappear your abs just get bigger and you lose fat and they begin to show through i do know anyway i made myself sound stupid! __________________ Robin