Clean and Jerk - any good? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

zoidberg · 24-09-2004, 08:31 PM

Hi All,

I've read a lot of great posts here about people's routines but I don't remember seeing anyone including the clean and jerk move in their training.

Is this exercise any good? To me it looks like a good compound exercise but maybe there's some reason why people avoid it?

Cheers,

-zoidberg-

GoldenArrow · 24-09-2004, 08:38 PM

Well it is one of the best exercises you can do! Problems with it:
1. need to know the technique
2. need somewhere you can drop weights
3. (a real concern in this day and age) you need a barbell.

megatron · 24-09-2004, 08:55 PM

i love ziodberg - the character.

Dr John Zoidberg

25-09-2004, 12:40 AM

oly movements are complex and hard to learn/do for the very reaosns outlined in GA's post. HOWEVER, they will pack on more mass and strenth than ANYTHING else. period.

winger · 25-09-2004, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James.Titor

oly movements are complex and hard to learn/do for the very reaosns outlined in GA's post. HOWEVER, they will pack on more mass and strenth than ANYTHING else. period.

You stud you. Good advice James.
Nice post zoidberg. Now start to post more.............;)

Deano! · 25-09-2004, 02:52 PM

i dont know this technique, anyone want to explain? or know a website with virtualy every technique listed and diagrams? lol

zoidberg · 25-09-2004, 03:48 PM

Hi Deano,

Here's a series of pics showing the move:

http://www.eng.auburn.edu/users/simonton/wl/cj.html

I was wondering if there was some modified version where you don't have to drop the weight but instead kind of do the move in reverse on the way down (controlled).

Obviously this would limit the amount of weight you could use but I think it would still be a very good compound exercise working legs, midsection, arms and shoulders as well as a bit of cardio as a lot of movement is involved.

Kind of like a deadlift that moves into a standing overhead press.

The deadlift part wouldn't be too hard as the weight would be limited to what you can do with your upper body.

Any thoughts / flames?

-zoidberg-

25-09-2004, 05:40 PM

yes, you need to get out of the deadlift>power shrug>overhead press mentality. the clean is all one move, you need proper coaching to do it, thats why i don't.

CRMon1 · 25-09-2004, 05:50 PM

I don't ever read about the world's best pro bodybuilders using Cleans in their routines. This may be because of the high risk of injury involved, or maybe the move is meant to develop power, not strength. Whatever the reason, if it was that effective in building mass, you would probably hear about it being used. -Just a thought-

Deano! · 25-09-2004, 06:09 PM

yeah i know which one it is now, thwe one used in the olympics, wouldnt really like to try that myself incase i injured myself, i always think if i had ago i'd fall back and it would land on my head or something lol

**hackskii** · 25-09-2004, 07:06 PM

I used to do them once a week. They are a great exercise for overall strength.
This exercise taxed me more than any other exercise. It winded me too. Great stamana exercise and I dont see many people doing them nowdays.

American Football players do these.
Sprinters do these.

I do them but I cant squat down that low like the guy did, which by the way has perfect form.

It is a great exercise for core strength and stamana.

zoidberg · 26-09-2004, 12:41 AM

Thanks for the advice James, will stick to deadlifts for now.

-z-

winger · 26-09-2004, 01:44 AM

I was told not to do cleans unless you could do the big plates. Only because with the smaller plates you have to bend over a bit to much. You could do deadlifts and standing cleans for starters. Dont get my wrong -z- I wasn't implying that you couldn't do them. That was for the beginners.
Hackskii was right. Allot of football players and sprinters over here do them. Infact I can just tell by their routine what sport they do.
Nice post -z- keep posting matey!

SportDr · 26-09-2004, 01:09 PM

Heres a vid of it, http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...anAndJerk.html
I have friends who swear by this exercise as it works most of the body, improves co-ordination and is very anabolic!!

hth

SD

26-09-2004, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRMon1

I don't ever read about the world's best pro bodybuilders using Cleans in their routines. This may be because of the high risk of injury involved, or maybe the move is meant to develop power, not strength. Whatever the reason, if it was that effective in building mass, you would probably hear about it being used. -Just a thought-

off season RC is about 320lbs, abotu 300lb LBM. all year round hossien rezazadeh is 360lbs+ with well over 290lbs LBM. hossein dosn't give 2 sh1ts about how big he gets. all he does is trian for power, and yet he is still the same size as ronnie.

also, if you look at any studeis of american high schools, oly lidting has the lowest injury/head rate of any sport, inc BBing.

you can't get power without strength.

24-09-2004, 08:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
zoidberg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 38	Clean and Jerk - any good? Hi All, I've read a lot of great posts here about people's routines but I don't remember seeing anyone including the clean and jerk move in their training. Is this exercise any good? To me it looks like a good compound exercise but maybe there's some reason why people avoid it? Cheers, -zoidberg-

24-09-2004, 08:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
GoldenArrow Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London Posts: 303	Well it is one of the best exercises you can do! Problems with it: 1. need to know the technique 2. need somewhere you can drop weights 3. (a real concern in this day and age) you need a barbell.

24-09-2004, 08:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
megatron Just ignore him Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,105	i love ziodberg - the character. Dr John Zoidberg

25-09-2004, 12:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
James.Titor Guest Posts: n/a	oly movements are complex and hard to learn/do for the very reaosns outlined in GA's post. HOWEVER, they will pack on more mass and strenth than ANYTHING else. period.

25-09-2004, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Deano! Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N.Wales Posts: 633	i dont know this technique, anyone want to explain? or know a website with virtualy every technique listed and diagrams? lol

25-09-2004, 03:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
zoidberg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 38	Hi Deano, Here's a series of pics showing the move: http://www.eng.auburn.edu/users/simonton/wl/cj.html I was wondering if there was some modified version where you don't have to drop the weight but instead kind of do the move in reverse on the way down (controlled). Obviously this would limit the amount of weight you could use but I think it would still be a very good compound exercise working legs, midsection, arms and shoulders as well as a bit of cardio as a lot of movement is involved. Kind of like a deadlift that moves into a standing overhead press. The deadlift part wouldn't be too hard as the weight would be limited to what you can do with your upper body. Any thoughts / flames? -zoidberg-

25-09-2004, 05:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
James.Titor Guest Posts: n/a	yes, you need to get out of the deadlift>power shrug>overhead press mentality. the clean is all one move, you need proper coaching to do it, thats why i don't.

25-09-2004, 05:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
CRMon1 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago area Posts: 66	I don't ever read about the world's best pro bodybuilders using Cleans in their routines. This may be because of the high risk of injury involved, or maybe the move is meant to develop power, not strength. Whatever the reason, if it was that effective in building mass, you would probably hear about it being used. -Just a thought-

25-09-2004, 06:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Deano! Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N.Wales Posts: 633	yeah i know which one it is now, thwe one used in the olympics, wouldnt really like to try that myself incase i injured myself, i always think if i had ago i'd fall back and it would land on my head or something lol

25-09-2004, 07:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	I used to do them once a week. They are a great exercise for overall strength. This exercise taxed me more than any other exercise. It winded me too. Great stamana exercise and I dont see many people doing them nowdays. American Football players do these. Sprinters do these. I do them but I cant squat down that low like the guy did, which by the way has perfect form. It is a great exercise for core strength and stamana.

26-09-2004, 12:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
zoidberg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Herts, UK Posts: 38	Thanks for the advice James, will stick to deadlifts for now. -z-

26-09-2004, 01:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,402 Blog Entries: 1	I was told not to do cleans unless you could do the big plates. Only because with the smaller plates you have to bend over a bit to much. You could do deadlifts and standing cleans for starters. Dont get my wrong -z- I wasn't implying that you couldn't do them. That was for the beginners. Hackskii was right. Allot of football players and sprinters over here do them. Infact I can just tell by their routine what sport they do. Nice post -z- keep posting matey!

26-09-2004, 01:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,863	Heres a vid of it, http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...anAndJerk.html I have friends who swear by this exercise as it works most of the body, improves co-ordination and is very anabolic!! hth SD