woodinator

Is this possible? Theres people down the gym i go to that i've spoken 2 and have said you can do it and look good without having to eat 6 meals a day.

Just wondering what your take on this is.

Also, how long before a workout do you eat eggs? is an hour before ok? what about after?

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6 meals a day? BRING IT ON! :hungry:

Beer belly be gone dammit!!! :rage:

Tatyana

Yes it is possible, as it is all about calorie balance.

Ok, that word toned, I request you don't use it.

You want to lose body fat and put on some muscle or have the muscle you have show because your bodyfat is lower.

You either have muscle or you don't, there is no 'toning' of muscle.

Create a calorie deficit with diet, training and cardio, you lose fat.

It doesn't really matter if you eat 3, 6, 8 or 12 meals, although some find that eating smaller meals through the day helps keep their hunger in check better.

I am sure there will be people that disagree and think that the number of meals matter.

irwit

eat eggs between 47 minutes and 53 minutes before workout but only on a tuesday every other month. only jokin, eat them whenever you want, personally I wouldnt an hour before as they are fat and medium release protein. Banana before and whey protein shake after but its splittin hairs imo as long as you are eating 6 decent meals a day it shouldnt matter.

you dont HAVE to eat 6 meals a day but it helps to burn fat. Keeps metabolism going and helps stop insulin spikes with bigger meals (3 meals a day) which promote fat storage.

Lost Soul

Agree

TBH anyone looking to tone has not yet read anything away from what is plonked in the doctors waiting room.

6 meals a day, 7 meals a day 5 or 4...foolow the advice above and you will lower bodyfat

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ParaManiac

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/food-diet...tml#post460611

I take it these 17 replies were not to your satisfaction

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YetiMan

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the reason I was lead to belive about the 6 meals a day thing was....

If you leave it longer than 3 hours between meals your body goes in to starvation mode. It then stores up more "crap" when you do eat. It does also start "eating" away at your muscle. I cant find the article but its something along them lines. Am I wrong in thinking this was correct?

Lost Soul

Seems it wasnt eggsactly what he was after even when it was laid on a plate for him

Not as such
starvation mode is after fasting and hibernation mode a long way down the line...a long long way down
The notion of more meals = crank up metabolism, keep blood sugar levels stable, keep satiety high, keep aminos supply for turnover and not throwing too many carbs at (possibly) full glycogen stores
They are some reasons. The loss of muscle will not occur for weeks, atrophy also wont occur for at least two

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Con

Number of meals do not matter, however, meal timing does.
Breakfast is always a must as is eating after you work out.
Also try and evenly space out all your meals.
4 meals is plenty for most people and most goals, 3 imo is a little low.

ba baracuss

WHAT you eat as much as when and how often you eat is worth looking into.

Protein and good fats are less likely to put lard on you than carbs. I am no expert but there's tons of reading here and elsewhere where you can learn more.

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Big shout is that.....

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Tatyana

I think it takes a lot longer.

There have been a few interesting starvation studies done in the 1950s in the US, I will see if I can find them.

When you look at the biochemistry of starvation, it does really depend on where you start.

If you have a lot of fat, your body is going to preserve lean tissue and burn fat.

If you are super lean, then yes, there is probably a greater chance you might burn some lean tissue.

It does depend on how many carbs you are eating, as the body will make anywhere from 20-200 g/day of glucose via gluconeogenesis for the brain, red blood cells (if it can, it will) depending on the diet. #

Really, our bodies are geared up to protect ourselves from starvation, as that was the major threat to our existance over most of human history.

There is no mechanism to protect the body from becoming immensely fat, as evidenced by the current obesity crisis.

I have had to spread my 5 meals/calories over 24 hours when I am on call, and I am up most of the time.

You get used to it, seriously, I used to be hungry every 2.5-3 hours when I ate that often, now I am hungry every 3.5-4.5 hours.

There is more going on as well, cause the hunger hormone, gherelin, is a really potent secretagogue of growth hormone, so there are some nattie competitive BBers that find they put on muscle on a decreased calorie diet.

Strange but true.

Tatyana

In the short term, low carb diets have people lose more weight.

But that happens whenever they get people to eliminate one of the macronutrients (low fat, low carbs, low protein, whatever) as THEY EAT LESS CALORIES to begin with, and there is the water weight loss with low carbs as 1 g glycogen holds 3-4 g of water.

In the long term, no difference.

It is also easier to eat a diet that has all three macronutrients in it.

It is all about the calories, there is no magic macronutrient ratios.

Again, if you are a fat fc-uker who has been eating crappy fried foods, processed fats and simple carbs, you have probably got a bit of insulin insensitivity, so a low carb diet with good fats would probably be beneficial, but other than that, it is all just about the calories.

Jonferimonic

I was just about to ask what the problem is with the word toned, but checked the definition on wikipedia first. Apparently its a mistakenly used term for losing fat and increasing muscle. So, whats the point of the word and why is it offensive to some of you.
If someone told me i looked toned, i wouldn't correct them by saying "thanks, but actually i am low in fat and visibly muscular"

wogihao

I think its the mindset that comes with the word "toned". Esentialy your makeing a value judgement on people that do real bodybuilding. It gives me the heebyjeebies when people say that also.

Jonferimonic

I still dont really understand. About mindsets, if i see someone who is athletically built like say a triathlete ill think damn they're toned, if i see someone of your physique i think damn hes built like a brick sh*thouse. I dont then compare in my head who has done the most work in the gym. Am I missing your point?
People I know (excluding myself of course) dont 'get' bodybuilders such as yourself - im in no way putting you down - im just saying i dont know anyone who has worked as extensively on themselves as you and others here have, so they dont understand the work you've put in. Its far easier, and common i suspect, to see and athletic build and say wow they've obviously worked hard at what they do and their body shows the results - whereas if you see a huge bodybuilder you might think something like, scary/steroids and meathead in the same sentance. I myself know thats not the case, my girlfriend however freaked out the first time she found out i drank protein shakes haha.
Ive probably said too much but just trying to air an opinion on 'mindsets'. Possibly this is why bodybuilders dont class themselves as toned.
No offence intended if any of it came across wrong!