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nathanlowe · 22-06-2008, 10:38 PM

At the moment i train for strength and do 4 x 6. Each week i try to either increase the weight being lifted or the number of reps. So each week im lifting heavier.

Im just wondering, if i started training for muscle hypertrophy, as in 3 x 12 or 4 x 10 etc, would i lose my strength ?

For example i can deadlift 95kg 4 x 6. bench 54.5kg 4 x 6. If i did muscle hypertrophy for 3 monthes etc, would these lifts go down ?

If i did 6 months muscle hypertrophy and then started strength training, over time would i lose size gained during muscle hypertrophy training ?

It sounds like im babbling on but i just want to know the relations inbetween strength training and muscle hypertrophy.

connor123mitch · 22-06-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanlowe

At the moment i train for strength and do 4 x 6. Each week i try to either increase the weight being lifted or the number of reps. So each week im lifting heavier.

Im just wondering, if i started training for muscle hypertrophy, as in 3 x 12 or 4 x 10 etc, would i lose my strength ?

For example i can deadlift 95kg 4 x 6. bench 54.5kg 4 x 6. If i did muscle hypertrophy for 3 monthes etc, would these lifts go down ?

If i did 6 months muscle hypertrophy and then started strength training, over time would i lose size gained during muscle hypertrophy training ?

It sounds like im babbling on but i just want to know the relations inbetween strength training and muscle hypertrophy.

get trainin with me lad !!!!!

connor123mitch · 22-06-2008, 11:11 PM

get trainin with me lad that the secret !

Lost Soul · 23-06-2008, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanlowe

At the moment i train for strength and do 4 x 6. Each week i try to either increase the weight being lifted or the number of reps. So each week im lifting heavier.

Thats an oxymoron
Strength training is not 4 x 6 adding more reps doesnt increase strength either

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Im just wondering, if i started training for muscle hypertrophy, as in 3 x 12 or 4 x 10 etc, would i lose my strength ?

yes as its non specific hypertrophy

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For example i can deadlift 95kg 4 x 6. bench 54.5kg 4 x 6. If i did muscle hypertrophy for 3 monthes etc, would these lifts go down ?

more than likely not but they would not increase compared to if you trained for strength...but you are not doing that ATM either

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If i did 6 months muscle hypertrophy and then started strength training, over time would i lose size gained during muscle hypertrophy training ?

It sounds like im babbling on but i just want to know the relations inbetween strength training and muscle hypertrophy

Too many factors to answer that

End of the day you are training for rugby....so train for it

nathanlowe · 23-06-2008, 08:11 AM

So you wouldnt say im strength training ?
Even though my goal is to get stronger and i have been getting stronger on a week to week basis im not strength training?

Ziricote · 23-06-2008, 08:49 AM

You don't need to be training for strength to get stronger but that's not to say you couldn't be getting stronger with a better program, I'd say what you're doing now looks like a trade-off which isn't what you really want to be doing. If I were training for rugby I'd probably go for either a high set, low rep program or that westside one which works on explosive movement also.

nathanlowe · 23-06-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Thats an oxymoron
Strength training is not 4 x 6 adding more reps doesnt increase strength either

yes as its non specific hypertrophy

more than likely not but they would not increase compared to if you trained for strength...but you are not doing that ATM either

Too many factors to answer that

End of the day you are training for rugby....so train for it

So last week i did 30kg dumbbell row for 21 reps in total. This week i managed 23 reps, so your telling me i didnt gain strenght ?>

Ziricote · 23-06-2008, 10:22 AM

I'd call that LME, as in Local Muscular Endurance. The ability to do more total work through more repetitions doesn't equal increased strength imo.

Lost Soul · 23-06-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanlowe

So last week i did 30kg dumbbell row for 21 reps in total. This week i managed 23 reps, so your telling me i didnt gain strenght ?>

correct

shorty · 23-06-2008, 04:32 PM

if you managed to up the weight of the dumbbell and row that for 23 reps then you've gotten stronger.

Lost Soul · 23-06-2008, 06:52 PM

No, that is not strength, its efficiency at the rep range

diaita · 23-06-2008, 07:14 PM

1RM measure strength

nathanlowe · 23-06-2008, 08:49 PM

So even though im lifting heavier weights im not getting stronger ?
So from 85kg deadlift to 95kg deadlift i havent gained strength ?

Just trying to get a better understanding of it all.

MrGum · 23-06-2008, 09:03 PM

Well, I think you are getting stronger (having looked at your journal).

I think this is a really useful site. The Bill Starr 5x5 (and its variations) seem to be used by lots of sportspeople for strength training.

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow...nts_thread.htm

I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I found it useful when putting together my routine - and I train for strength (although I do sneak a peek in the mirror daily also

)

Mark

manson · 23-06-2008, 09:07 PM

If your IRM was 85kg and now is 95kg I think you could class that as gaining strength, a for instance on one day I could do "x-kg" for 2x6 on dumbell curl on another I do 1kg less for the same reps and exercise , have I lost strength? No! My arms are just not up to it that workout. which unless my head is in the clouds as it sometimes is, is the reverse of what your saying.

It may just mean that on that day you may of "been up for it more".

IMO you shouldnt be doing 4 main sets at your age anyway, enjoy your youth you will get bigger worries when your hormones kick in

If this seems sh1te soz but I have difficulty expressing myself verbally, my mother dropped me on my head.:p

22-06-2008, 10:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
nathanlowe Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,138	Size and Strength At the moment i train for strength and do 4 x 6. Each week i try to either increase the weight being lifted or the number of reps. So each week im lifting heavier. Im just wondering, if i started training for muscle hypertrophy, as in 3 x 12 or 4 x 10 etc, would i lose my strength ? For example i can deadlift 95kg 4 x 6. bench 54.5kg 4 x 6. If i did muscle hypertrophy for 3 monthes etc, would these lifts go down ? If i did 6 months muscle hypertrophy and then started strength training, over time would i lose size gained during muscle hypertrophy training ? It sounds like im babbling on but i just want to know the relations inbetween strength training and muscle hypertrophy.

22-06-2008, 11:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
connor123mitch Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Golborne,Warrington Posts: 3	Re: Size and Strength get trainin with me lad that the secret !

23-06-2008, 08:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
nathanlowe Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,138	Re: Size and Strength So you wouldnt say im strength training ? Even though my goal is to get stronger and i have been getting stronger on a week to week basis im not strength training?

23-06-2008, 08:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ziricote Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 444	Re: Size and Strength You don't need to be training for strength to get stronger but that's not to say you couldn't be getting stronger with a better program, I'd say what you're doing now looks like a trade-off which isn't what you really want to be doing. If I were training for rugby I'd probably go for either a high set, low rep program or that westside one which works on explosive movement also. __________________ -Usus libri, non lectio prudentes facit

23-06-2008, 10:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ziricote Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 444	Re: Size and Strength I'd call that LME, as in Local Muscular Endurance. The ability to do more total work through more repetitions doesn't equal increased strength imo. __________________ -Usus libri, non lectio prudentes facit

23-06-2008, 04:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
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23-06-2008, 07:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
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23-06-2008, 08:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
nathanlowe Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,138	Re: Size and Strength So even though im lifting heavier weights im not getting stronger ? So from 85kg deadlift to 95kg deadlift i havent gained strength ? Just trying to get a better understanding of it all.

23-06-2008, 09:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
MrGum Shallow, one-dimensional, obsessive. Join Date: May 2008 Location: Congleton, UK Posts: 450 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Size and Strength Well, I think you are getting stronger (having looked at your journal). I think this is a really useful site. The Bill Starr 5x5 (and its variations) seem to be used by lots of sportspeople for strength training. http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow...nts_thread.htm I am by no means an expert on this stuff, but I found it useful when putting together my routine - and I train for strength (although I do sneak a peek in the mirror daily also ) Mark __________________ No guts, no glory. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

23-06-2008, 09:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
manson Trust me it's genuine Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Asylumville Posts: 323 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Size and Strength If your IRM was 85kg and now is 95kg I think you could class that as gaining strength, a for instance on one day I could do "x-kg" for 2x6 on dumbell curl on another I do 1kg less for the same reps and exercise , have I lost strength? No! My arms are just not up to it that workout. which unless my head is in the clouds as it sometimes is, is the reverse of what your saying. It may just mean that on that day you may of "been up for it more". IMO you shouldnt be doing 4 main sets at your age anyway, enjoy your youth you will get bigger worries when your hormones kick in If this seems sh1te soz but I have difficulty expressing myself verbally, my mother dropped me on my head.:p

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