Concentrate or isolate - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

lambert · 10-06-2008, 10:04 PM

Hello everyone , I'm new around here, been reading alot lately and decided to join up. How's everyone doing?

Ok so I have a question I would like to ask, I've been weight training for the last 8 weeks and I seem to be doing pretty well, Im currently using a push/pull routine, does anyone else find this a good rountine? Anyway the question i would like to ask is about whey protein, Ive been using a crappy one from holland and barret and would like to get a better one, what i would like to know is , what would i be better going for, concentrate or isolate?
Cheers.

delhibuilder · 10-06-2008, 10:05 PM

i ould say isolate.

shorty · 10-06-2008, 10:20 PM

isolate is just protein with no carbs or fats... so is very good right after working out because its absorbed quicker than concentrate.

concentrate has some carbs & fats in it and the protein is released alot slower than the isolate.

i go for a mixed protein that offers both...

Lost Soul · 11-06-2008, 06:39 AM

welcome mate

the training split sounds ok if you have legs in, people can help if you put down what exercises you are doing with reps and sets, that gives a better picture

Quote:

Originally Posted by delhibuilder

i ould say isolate.

why? you haven't given a reason.

1 - the lad has just started training
2 - lactose issues have not been stated
3 - its double the price with no benefits at this level

poor advice

the H and B protein products are gash. a standard whey concentrate is fine for now. its cheaper and if you have no issues with lactose you will see no tangible difference other than in your wallet

see some of the links on site from extreme, bodyshapers and bulkpowders for better products

Quote:

Originally Posted by shorty

isolate is just protein with no carbs or fats... so is very good right after working out because its absorbed quicker than concentrate.

concentrate has some carbs & fats in it and the protein is released alot slower than the isolate.

i go for a mixed protein that offers both...

the difference in 'abosprtion is minimal' carbs and fat are not bad and the lad has been training 8 weeks.

Isolates are for people who fit in one of the brackets below:

1 pre contest hyper anal freaks
2 those who dont get on with lactose
3 those who have more money than sense

an isolate is about 2-3 times more and there will be zero tangible difference in results

instead of spedning 30 quid on an isolate spend that on a concentrate and the next time you dont have to buy an isolate because its all gone spend the money on good food as protein supplements dont build bodies, they are a small part of a massive puzzle which people seem to hang onto with all their might in the early stages of training

BRABUS · 11-06-2008, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

welcome mate

the training split sounds ok if you have legs in, people can help if you put down what exercises you are doing with reps and sets, that gives a better picture

why? you haven't given a reason.

1 - the lad has just started training
2 - lactose issues have not been stated
3 - its double the price with no benefits at this level

poor advice

the H and B protein products are gash. a standard whey concentrate is fine for now. its cheaper and if you have no issues with lactose you will see no tangible difference other than in your wallet

see some of the links on site from extreme, bodyshapers and bulkpowders for better products

the difference in 'abosprtion is minimal' carbs and fat are not bad and the lad has been training 8 weeks.

Isolates are for people who fit in one of the brackets below:

1 pre contest hyper anal freaks
2 those who dont get on with lactose
3 those who have more money than sense

an isolate is about 2-3 times more and there will be zero tangible difference in results

instead of spedning 30 quid on an isolate spend that on a concentrate and the next time you dont have to buy an isolate because its all gone spend the money on good food as protein supplements dont build bodies, they are a small part of a massive puzzle which people seem to hang onto with all their might in the early stages of training

Precisely!! I used concentrate for years with good results. The carbs are still low in concentrate, something like 5g per serving and at your level nothing to worry about.
I only switched to isolate for competing purposes and due to slight lactose problems. But in all honesty don't realy see a great difference other than the little bloat ( not all get it and i didnt for years ).
Stick to the concentrate and itll servr you well

Ziricote · 11-06-2008, 08:27 AM

Depends a bit imo, if you just want to take it post-workout with some oats then Isolate, if it's an inbetween meal (or meal replacement protein) you'll want concentrate.

Lost Soul · 11-06-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziricote

Depends a bit imo, if you just want to take it post-workout with some oats then Isolate, if it's an inbetween meal (or meal replacement protein) you'll want concentrate.

Why? as soon as you throw oats in you are adding fibre + fat and slowing the digestion down anyhow

Why a concentrate any other time? the digestion of an isolate and concentrate in terms of difference is so minimal its untrue.

A blend at other times yes, but isolate and concentrate are much of a muchness. if you want to go OTT why not only ingest hydrolsyed whey PWO or AAs and dextrose

lambert · 11-06-2008, 05:33 PM

Lost soul my training routine is as follows;

Monday/thursday
DB benchpress 3 x 10
Incline DB benchpress 3 x 10
DB shoulder press 3 x 10
DB lateral raises for shoulder 3 x 10
sometimes, front raises 3 x 10
Tricep kickbacks and extensions

Tuesday/friday
DB bent over rows 3 x 10
bicep curls 3 x 10
concentration curls 3 x 10
hammer curls 3 x 10

Wednesday and saturday i do my legs, plus i do crunches everyday and also work my forearms, what you guys think?

Lost Soul · 11-06-2008, 05:39 PM

What happens with legs then on wed + sat

no need for curnches every day

you are also overtraining

one day per week for each, not two

change it to:

Monday
BARBELL benchpress 3 x 10
Incline DB benchpress 3 x 12
weighted chest dips
Standing BB shoulder press 3 x 10

wed
BB deads
10/8/6/4 or all 5s
lat pull down or chins
DB bent over rows 3 x 10
bicep curls 3 x 10

then legs friday or do them wed and put back on friday

whey concentrate on top of your diet is fine but not as something to hold it up

Any tiny weenie, miniscule difference between isolate and concentrate would be well and truly outweighed by your over training

lambert · 11-06-2008, 05:58 PM

ok thanks mate, so you think I would benefit more from training less, when i do train it doesnt feel like i do that much.
For legs i do , lunges, straight leg dead lifts, calf raises.

lost soul , also the only equipment i have is a bench and a **** load of DB weights, I dont really have the time or money to go to the gym.

Lost Soul · 11-06-2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

I dont really have the time or money to go to the gym.

why are you asking about overpirced supplements then? isolate is very expensive and would cost as much per month as a ym membership or over the year a good oly BB and some plates

Quote:

when i do train it doesnt feel like i do that much.

increase the effort and load then in a progressive manner

ba baracuss · 11-06-2008, 06:09 PM

Add squats into your leg routine mate.

lambert · 11-06-2008, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost Soul

why are you asking about overpirced supplements then? isolate is very expensive and would cost as much per month as a ym membership or over the year a good oly BB and some plates

increase the effort and load then in a progressive manner

Ok well its more the time thing, plus i didnt realise it was so expensive.

delhibuilder · 12-06-2008, 05:11 PM

im not going to go into debate as i honestly dont have much knowledge other than the fact whey is going in faster supposedly also has higher b.v value from what i read. and for 98% percent of 3kg of whey isloate. for 45 inc delivery pounds you cant go wrong.

this is all ive read about so i could be wrong, i drink my protein bout 2-3 times a day now so just that little bit may make a difference over a year. i'd like to stay lean all year.

Lost Soul · 12-06-2008, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delhibuilder

im not going to go into debate as i honestly dont have much knowledge other than the fact whey is going in faster supposedly also has higher b.v value from what i read. and for 98% percent of 3kg of whey isloate. for 45 inc delivery pounds you cant go wrong.

this is all ive read about so i could be wrong, i drink my protein bout 2-3 times a day now so just that little bit may make a difference over a year. i'd like to stay lean all year.

why ask then?
BV is not higher, the BV is flawed anyhow and staying lean has nothing to do with a concentrate or isolate
98% isolate? do you have a link?

10-06-2008, 10:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
lambert Getting there. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ulster Posts: 195	Concentrate or isolate Hello everyone , I'm new around here, been reading alot lately and decided to join up. How's everyone doing? Ok so I have a question I would like to ask, I've been weight training for the last 8 weeks and I seem to be doing pretty well, Im currently using a push/pull routine, does anyone else find this a good rountine? Anyway the question i would like to ask is about whey protein, Ive been using a crappy one from holland and barret and would like to get a better one, what i would like to know is , what would i be better going for, concentrate or isolate? Cheers.

10-06-2008, 10:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
delhibuilder Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 312	Re: Concentrate or isolate i ould say isolate.

10-06-2008, 10:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
shorty If you can imagine it, you can achieve it; if you can dream it, you can become it. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oldham, NW Posts: 2,016	Re: Concentrate or isolate isolate is just protein with no carbs or fats... so is very good right after working out because its absorbed quicker than concentrate. concentrate has some carbs & fats in it and the protein is released alot slower than the isolate. i go for a mixed protein that offers both...

11-06-2008, 08:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ziricote Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 444	Re: Concentrate or isolate Depends a bit imo, if you just want to take it post-workout with some oats then Isolate, if it's an inbetween meal (or meal replacement protein) you'll want concentrate.

11-06-2008, 05:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
lambert Getting there. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ulster Posts: 195	Re: Concentrate or isolate Lost soul my training routine is as follows; Monday/thursday DB benchpress 3 x 10 Incline DB benchpress 3 x 10 DB shoulder press 3 x 10 DB lateral raises for shoulder 3 x 10 sometimes, front raises 3 x 10 Tricep kickbacks and extensions Tuesday/friday DB bent over rows 3 x 10 bicep curls 3 x 10 concentration curls 3 x 10 hammer curls 3 x 10 Wednesday and saturday i do my legs, plus i do crunches everyday and also work my forearms, what you guys think?

11-06-2008, 05:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lost Soul Curing the 'Arms & Supplements Syndrome' (ASS) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cardiff Posts: 5,141	Re: Concentrate or isolate What happens with legs then on wed + sat no need for curnches every day you are also overtraining one day per week for each, not two change it to: Monday BARBELL benchpress 3 x 10 Incline DB benchpress 3 x 12 weighted chest dips Standing BB shoulder press 3 x 10 wed BB deads 10/8/6/4 or all 5s lat pull down or chins DB bent over rows 3 x 10 bicep curls 3 x 10 then legs friday or do them wed and put back on friday whey concentrate on top of your diet is fine but not as something to hold it up Any tiny weenie, miniscule difference between isolate and concentrate would be well and truly outweighed by your over training

11-06-2008, 05:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
lambert Getting there. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ulster Posts: 195	Re: Concentrate or isolate ok thanks mate, so you think I would benefit more from training less, when i do train it doesnt feel like i do that much. For legs i do , lunges, straight leg dead lifts, calf raises. lost soul , also the only equipment i have is a bench and a **** load of DB weights, I dont really have the time or money to go to the gym.

11-06-2008, 06:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
ba baracuss The White Pele Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 882	Re: Concentrate or isolate Add squats into your leg routine mate.

12-06-2008, 05:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
delhibuilder Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 312	Re: Concentrate or isolate im not going to go into debate as i honestly dont have much knowledge other than the fact whey is going in faster supposedly also has higher b.v value from what i read. and for 98% percent of 3kg of whey isloate. for 45 inc delivery pounds you cant go wrong. this is all ive read about so i could be wrong, i drink my protein bout 2-3 times a day now so just that little bit may make a difference over a year. i'd like to stay lean all year.

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