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Old 09-06-2008, 02:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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7 weeks in and need some advice please

I started training and eating properly [I hope] about 7 weeks ago and have a couple of concerns and questions.
I am 6'3'' 13st 7 and I'm quite skinny. At the minute I'm just looking to add mass and bulk.

I do the push/pull workout:-
Day1 - Bench press, incline bench, military press, triceps
Day2 - rest
Day3 - Dead lift, bicep curls, pullups, rows
Day4 - rest
Repeat

My diet is usually-

0900 - porridge, banana, vitimins
1000 - MP Weight gainer & L-Glut
1300 - Tuna/chicken sandwich
1600 - 4 eggs, scrambled
1700 - workout
post workout - MP weight gainer & L-Glut
1900 - Chicken/beef with rice/ baked potatoe and veg
2100 - some sort of snack - fruit, yoghurt, nuts, eggs...
0000 - MP weight gainer befor bed

On a non train day I do the same except for the post workout shake.

OK, so with that out of the way, the reason for the post is because I have put on a fair bit of fat around my stomach. I know you will put on fat while bulking, but a pop belly on a skinny guy just looks horrible and I was wondering if there's anything I can change to get rid, or will that sacrafice my bulking? I find it hard to put on weight, hence the MP weight gainer. Should I try just Whey protein instead?

And of course putting my pop-belly aside, and other advice or suggestion would be great.

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Old 09-06-2008, 02:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 7 weeks in and need some advice please

Add some cardio in on your rest days
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 7 weeks in and need some advice please

why arent you training legs ? They are the best mass builder. Im not as tall but similar stats and have gained alot of weight from adding squats.

Also I wouldnt bother with bicep curls, how are your biceps not knackered from pull ups and rows ??? Also add dips to your push day.

Food wise your diet isnt that good really, you arent getting enough protein by the looks of things.

Personally for me since we are both tall and thin ;) i'll tell you what Im eating for a bulk.

8:00 Morning, 6 whole eggs, 2 wholemeal toast depending on if I feel I need the carbs. Normally do training days.

11:00 3 oatabix, 3/4 pint of milk ( skimmed or semi skimmed depending on how Im feeling ) flax seed powder, scoop of whey.

1:30 2 chicken breast or equivilant tuna or salmon, brown rice and vegies

4:30 same as 11 but will alter ammounts again depending on how Im feeling.

6:30 same as meal 1:30

10:30 plenty of cottage cheese or calcium casein

plus plenty of supps

I dont really follow the whole post workout shake idea, sometimes ill have some whey after if I feel there has been a large gap between meals. Pre workout ill take CEE and I really notice the difference. Hope this helps


Whats in this mass builder ? Im guesss alot of simple carbs, you may aswell be eating mars bars.

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Old 10-06-2008, 11:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 7 weeks in and need some advice please

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why arent you training legs ? They are the best mass builder. Im not as tall but similar stats and have gained alot of weight from adding squats.

Also I wouldnt bother with bicep curls, how are your biceps not knackered from pull ups and rows ??? Also add dips to your push day.

Food wise your diet isnt that good really, you arent getting enough protein by the looks of things.

Personally for me since we are both tall and thin ;) i'll tell you what Im eating for a bulk.

8:00 Morning, 6 whole eggs, 2 wholemeal toast depending on if I feel I need the carbs. Normally do training days.

11:00 3 oatabix, 3/4 pint of milk ( skimmed or semi skimmed depending on how Im feeling ) flax seed powder, scoop of whey.

1:30 2 chicken breast or equivilant tuna or salmon, brown rice and vegies

4:30 same as 11 but will alter ammounts again depending on how Im feeling.

6:30 same as meal 1:30

10:30 plenty of cottage cheese or calcium casein

plus plenty of supps

I dont really follow the whole post workout shake idea, sometimes ill have some whey after if I feel there has been a large gap between meals. Pre workout ill take CEE and I really notice the difference. Hope this helps


Whats in this mass builder ? Im guesss alot of simple carbs, you may aswell be eating mars bars.
I forgot to mention legs. I do some bodyweight excercises like weghted lunges etc for legs, but I'm quite bottom heavy. My legs are out of proportion with my top half - I don't have skinny legs like my top half, so want to put on some weight on top first.

I also play squash 1 or 2 times a week, however had a couple of weeks off to concerntrate on lifting which probably helped towards putting on fat.

The weight gainer is MyProtein.

So do you reckon the right way to go would be - squash once/twice a week, and substitute the weight gainer for just whey protein?

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Re: 7 weeks in and need some advice please

I dont think squash is really going to add mass to your legs. Working your legs releases more growth hormone and testosterone which helps your whole body grow. Squats work aot of your body, they arent just a leg exercise. Trying to add muscle to your body but only training half of it doesnt work in my opinion.

Dont think of it as i wanna add mass to my top to even out the bottom. You get loads of guys in the gym just working arms with bicep curls, but they dont have huge biceps and tiny shoulders.

Have a really good read around these forums, diet section, training section and getting started section about what everyone else is advised.

And diet wise I already said, imo diet should look more like mine, Im not saying mine is perfect by any standard but you want protein with every meal and lots of it. Your breakfast for example contains no protein at all !
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Re: 7 weeks in and need some advice please

OK, I'll start to work my legs more. I wasn't suggesting that squash would add mass to my legs, just mentioned it as a cardio exercise. As I said I do weighted lunges and stuff with my core workout, and a lot of dead lifts, but I don't have a squat rack or any leg training equipment.

Getting back on topic then, in order to lose the fat and bulk lean, I need to cut down on the carbs, more protein and cardio? Is there anything else I need to know that I could have missed?
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Re: 7 weeks in and need some advice please

if you are skinny don't even think of dropping carbs
and as above, train your legs
get shot of bicep and tricpe isolations too

SLDLs. squats, lunges and dips can go in that training plan
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