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Old 06-06-2008, 02:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Beginner to the stage in how long?
ok guys my mug shot gives an approximate idea of my shape.
i'm never gonna me big and dont want to neglect m athletics training
but are there any comps that I could aim for in a couple of years where you dont need to be massive?

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Old 06-06-2008, 04:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Beginner to the stage in how long?
purely based on aesthetics?
Not realistically as the dieting would screw your athletics up.
There is no way a 'smaller guy' can get on stage unless uterly stripped, horribly ripped and sickly. That requires either crazy dieting and gear or crazy dieting and very long periods of time in a state where perfromance is hindered. None of those fit into being a athlete.

Bodybuilding is not a sport, its the extreme maniuplation of a body often in an unhealthy way which results in the creation of a body that look sporty...its not, by show time you are a wreck

Now, the mens health look will support the less ripped athlete but again good looks and good muscle mass are required and some form of diet manipulatioin will be applied. This again will 9 out of 10 times screw with athletic perfromance.

Very few can get away with both which leads me to suggest going for something that isnt based on aesthetics but sporting prowess where you can stay natural and compete in events of strength and endurance
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Re: Beginner to the stage in how long?
2-3 years of good training and diet and you wouldn't make a fool of yourself. You would have to concentrate on the bodybuilding and pretty much forget the athletics though really..
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2-3 years of good training and diet and you wouldn't make a fool of yourself. You would have to concentrate on the bodybuilding and pretty much forget the athletics though really..
and lets not forget caining the gear to do it in that timescale.
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and lets not forget caining the gear to do it in that timescale.
Got to disagree. 2-3 years of good commitment, he won't be laughed at. Plus the natural feds...
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Old 07-06-2008, 05:37 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Beginner to the stage in how long?
so why do so many people look so sh1te after 2-3 years?
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so why do so many people look so sh1te after 2-3 years?
Don't put enough effort in.
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Re: Beginner to the stage in how long?
How much muscle can you gain naturally on average:

1st year of training?
2nd year of training?
3rd year of training?

rough guesses are fine for the 'average, healthy male'
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Re: Beginner to the stage in how long?
In my first year of training, I would say i've put on about 8-12 pounds of muscle naturally. Thats with my lifestyle which for 8ish months involved getting drunk two/three times a week and an OK diet. Based on that I would say a stone in your first year is possible if you have good commitment.

second and third year I can't comment as I've not done that yet
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In my first year of training, I would say i've put on about 8-12 pounds of muscle naturally. Thats with my lifestyle which for 8ish months involved getting drunk two/three times a week and an OK diet. Based on that I would say a stone in your first year is possible if you have good commitment.

second and third year I can't comment as I've not done that yet
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you will need to diet down for to get stupidly ripped as a natural
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* Whilst avoiding looking more like an anorexic swimmer than a BodyBuilder
Correct 'the stringy look' is an issue here
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Year one (if done right) 35 lbs
Year two 15 lbs
Year three 10 lbs

AND IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING SOME WILL DO MUCH BETTER, AND SOME MUCH WORSE
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Some natties stay leaner off season, but I would say on average 20-24 weeks.

If you have been doing it for ages and stay lean, then probably 12-16 weeks.

I am in the first category, but hold off the stupid amounts of cardio till the last 10 weeks.
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