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Old 14-05-2008, 12:14 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Your seriously saying that amatures in the uk are just as good as IFBB pros ? You need to put down the crack pipe.

Nobody is commenting on the various competitiors personal lives thats irelivant to how they look on stage.
Dude... they are totally just as good as IFBB pros.

You sir have been mind swiped by the IFBB and Weider / AMI.

Just because someone chooses not to use drugs does not make them any less successful or not as good at their chosen career.

If the IFBB pros are so much "better"... Please explain how.

Do think now... Anything relating to them being bigger or related to how much larger or more cut or any of that will be quickly replied to with the "It's the drugs" comment.

So now, please explain why they are "better".
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:18 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Dude... they are totally just as good as IFBB pros.

You sir have been mind swiped by the IFBB and Weider / AMI.

Just because someone chooses not to use drugs does not make them any less successful or not as good at their chosen career.

If the IFBB pros are so much "better"... Please explain how.

Do think now... Anything relating to them being bigger or related to how much larger or more cut or any of that will be quickly replied to with the "It's the drugs" comment.

So now, please explain why they are "better".
I refuse to enter into this debate as you have such a warped view on reality.

The IFBB is bodybuilding, you use anything to become the bigest and freakist possible on stage - thats bodybulding.
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:18 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Good on you but how would you stack up against say Cornelia Brandt? see what I meen.



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Have you even been to a comp in England?

Why would I pay to sit in a dingy hall surounded by muscle worshiping freaks? none of my friends/family competed so why would I subject myself to that.


Erm, you post a pic like that and then you think you can comment on muscle worshipping freaks?

That is such a schmoe pic it is unreal.

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Old 14-05-2008, 12:20 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I refuse to enter into this debate as you have such a warped view on reality.

The IFBB is bodybuilding, you use anything to become the bigest and freakist possible on stage - thats bodybulding.
Bodybuilding is about becoming the best biggest and BEST you can be with your body.

Being freaky has nothing to do with it... ESPECIALLY as a woman.
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:20 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Erm, you post a pic like that and then you think you can comment on muscle worshipping freaks?

That is such a schmoe pic it is unreal.
I search yahoo images, type in the name and that was the picture that came up....

how is that a shmoe pic? if you call that a shmoe pic then 90% of the pics in the members pics forum are also shmoe??? I dont understand.
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:22 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Bodybuilding is about becoming the best biggest and BEST you can be with your body.

Being freaky has nothing to do with it... ESPECIALLY as a woman.
Why?

surely being the bigest and the best sets you apart from normal people and its ultimate expression is in being "freaky." you use anything to acheve this state and thats what was always rewarded in comptions be it mass or conditioning.
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:22 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Erm, you post a pic like that and then you think you can comment on muscle worshipping freaks?

That is such a schmoe pic it is unreal.
Anytime you compare any woman to another who is obviously juiced up shows a muscle worshipping tendency.

Didn't he just say it's about the biggest and the freakiest?

What is that if it's not "Muscle Worship"?
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:24 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Why?

surely being the bigest and the best sets you apart from normal people and its ultimate expression is in being "freaky." you use anything to acheve this state and thats what was always rewarded in comptions be it mass or conditioning.
That's what the IFBB rewards and it has been shown that rewarding "freaky" hasn't done the sport of Bodybuilding any favors.

The Mr. Olympia used to be on broadcast television and now all it garners is a webfeed.

That is backwards, not forwards for the sport.

Apparently your way of thinking has done nothing but make bodybuilding a sideshow.
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:25 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Anytime you compare any woman to another who is obviously juiced up shows a muscle worshipping tendency.

Didn't he just say it's about the biggest and the freakiest?

What is that if it's not "Muscle Worship"?
I dont understand.

Bodybuilding is being freaky and big, anything less is just asking to get beat man or woman if your being judged fairly and not on how pretty you are.

What are you saying that because I think that bodybuilding should be extreem it makes me a muscle worshiper? surely that condems the majority of people that are intrested in bodybuilding?

What i see as suspisous is people going to see men with hardly any development in oil and a poseing pouch... whats the deal with that?
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That's what the IFBB rewards and it has been shown that rewarding "freaky" hasn't done the sport of Bodybuilding any favors.

The Mr. Olympia used to be on broadcast television and now all it garners is a webfeed.

That is backwards, not forwards for the sport.

Apparently your way of thinking has done nothing but make bodybuilding a sideshow.
The comption format is boring, because there is not comption on stage, its in the run up to the event. Its hard to market anything like that.

Whats the point in doing anything within boundaries its within peoples nature to explore the out limits of development by whateever method avaible.

Also what golden age are you talking about guys from the 50s onwards took drugs? you want pre 50s bodybuilders on stage? I dont get it who would pay to see that?

Bodybuilding has always been a side show, when was it ever mainstreem?
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Old 14-05-2008, 12:32 AM   #56 (permalink)
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I dont understand.

Bodybuilding is being freaky and big, anything less is just asking to get beat man or woman if your being judged fairly and not on how pretty you are.

What are you saying that because I think that bodybuilding should be extreem it makes me a muscle worshiper? surely that condems the majority of people that are intrested in bodybuilding?

What i see as suspisous is people going to see men with hardly any development in oil and a poseing pouch... whats the deal with that?

YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO A COMP HERE SO HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT
I think it would serve you to see some of the debates about GH guts on IFBB pros.

Why do you think the IFBB just created a 202 lb class for men?

Why do you think the UKBFF has dropped a lot of its regulations that you can only compete in the UKBFF? Because the other feddies are so popular in the UK.

Why do you think the UKBFF has created a 'classic bodybuilding' category?

Why do you think the IFBB has told the girls to come in 20% smaller for the last 2 years?

Why do you think that some people like John Romano are calling for drug testing in FBBing and that some of the smaller, more feminine women like Brett Miller are being called 'the future of female bodybuilding'?

Why are you even posting on a UK BBing board if you think that UK bbing is just 'not worth the time to go and watch'?

Have you even been to ANY bbing comp?
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The comption format is boring, because there is not comption on stage, its in the run up to the event. Its hard to market anything like that.

Whats the point in doing anything within boundaries its within peoples nature to explore the out limits of development by whateever method avaible.

Also what golden age are you talking about guys from the 50s onwards took drugs? you want pre 50s bodybuilders on stage? I dont get it who would pay to see that?

Bodybuilding has always been a side show, when was it ever mainstreem?
When people like Arnie, Frank, Rachel McLish and Cory Everson were competing in the Olympia.
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My first coach is one of England's first and foremost IFBB pros, she told me over and over and over again, steroids will not get you anywhere.

Thats flat out BS and if you beleve that then your totaly nieve.


Ok, so you don't like that that an IFBB pro from the UK has said that.

I think I will listen to what Lee Priest and Victor Martinez told me, they both think that women should be nattie.

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I think it would serve you to see some of the debates about GH guts on IFBB pros.

Why do you think the IFBB just created a 202 lb class for men?

Why do you think the UKBFF has dropped a lot of its regulations that you can only compete in the UKBFF? Because the other feddies are so popular in the UK.

Why do you think the UKBFF has created a 'classic bodybuilding' category?

Why do you think the IFBB has told the girls to come in 20% smaller for the last 2 years?

Why do you think that some people like John Romano are calling for drug testing in FBBing and that some of the smaller, more feminine women like Brett Miller are being called 'the future of female bodybuilding'?

Why are you even posting on a UK BBing board if you think that UK bbing is just 'not worth the time to go and watch'?

Have you even been to ANY bbing comp?
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When people like Arnie, Frank, Rachel McLish and Cory Everson were competing in the Olympia.
GH use is outrageous and is way out of hand... There's a reason why Dexter wins the Arnold almost every year... and almost no one really wants to look like Mr. Olympia.

Everyone thinks the size game has gone so far and destroyed anything pleasing about the bodys which the current pros are bringing to the stage.

The under 202 class was designed SPECIFICALLY to help reign in the overusage of some of the drugs and help get the sport more mainstream.

Basically, since the late 80s when it became all about size, the sport has seen nothing but a downward trend.

Guys like Rusty Jeffers bring what I believe to be the best package to the stage almost every time and yet can't break the top 10.

It's sad.
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I think it would serve you to see some of the debates about GH guts on IFBB pros.

There has been extensive debate on this issue since the early 90s, but nobody has a solution you cant have mass monsters without unfortunate side efects, mass monsters sell shows. nobody comes to see mr 190lbs.

 Why do you think the IFBB just created a 202 lb class for men?

Because they didnt have the potential to compete with the big guys.
All the bantamweights that got there pro cards that were embarrising themselves year after year demanding a venue.

Why do you think the UKBFF has dropped a lot of its regulations that you can only compete in the UKBFF? Because the other feddies are so popular in the UK.

Your still penilized for competeing outside it might not be obvious but it still happens.

Why do you think the UKBFF has created a 'classic bodybuilding' category?

Because many national IFFB afiliated orgs did the same thing, I fail to see how this will draw crowds, its like watching gymnastics from 20 years ago.. progress is made - sure theres nostalga and now with diet/suplements/drugs make it easyer to acheve this "classic" look. But then how do you judge such a class, what is "classic?" 70s? 60s? 50s? 40?s where do you draw the line????


Why do you think the IFBB has told the girls to come in 20% smaller for the last 2 years?

Becuase fbb shows have been in decline and there desprate to get the viewing numbers up.

Why do you think that some people like John Romano are calling for drug testing in FBBing and that some of the smaller, more feminine women like Brett Miller are being called 'the future of female bodybuilding'?

Every few years you get things like this, but if its judged as a bodyBUILDING contest it should not have anything to do with male/female ideas of beauty comming into the equasion idealy it should be judged in the same way male/female - if it were to be fair and about the individuals development rather than conforming to a gender steriotype.

Why are you even posting on a UK BBing board if you think that UK bbing is just 'not worth the time to go and watch'?

I think many people post on the boards but feel unconfortable at the idea of going to watch a show. It would be a intresting pole to be sure. I ask again if i were not competeing or suporting a friend/family member what would be my motivation to goto such a show?

Have you even been to ANY bbing comp?
No, why should I have. I enjoy training with weights, and my own personal development. It might be selfish but I have no intrest in watching strangers in shows in person. I watch the shows on dvd (when i can download them) where I have a good location to see all the action and I can watch the classes in what ever order and watch them when i like Webcasts see photos but im not so intrested to sit in a noizy place.

Further what makes actualy atending the show so important? I dont understand what information I can gain about my comption from actualy atending in person compared to watching photographs or dvds of the event later.
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