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Hardrive · 15-08-2004, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by James.Titor

good god man! its no wonder your having problems

the deadlift, second only to the squat, is the most important lift when aiming to gain size and strength. its very easy to explain, but very technical, and as it requires a huge amount of lower back strength, it is best to get someone to show you the correct form in real life. a good coach/PT should do this.

or find out where the nearst PL club is, even if its a 1 hr drive, just go once and see how its done. they will be big guys with big lifts, but they don't bite, and are usually more than happy to help a newbie get squatting and pulling.

lastly, if you value the ability to walk and perfrom simple day to day tasks that you take for granted: NEVER, EVER do deadlifts for reps higher than 3. 5 at very most. its just plain dangerous.

Hi there dude

no shame in not knowing what deadlifts are most BBC (bench bicep crew) still dont know and the ones that do dont bother, Any way when starting out bodybuilding or lifting weights start small and work on the princable of 8 to 12 reps per set dont go heavy get your form right first then you can up the weight.
Sorry James if this contradicts your advice but a newbee lifting heavy weights before mastering form is dangerous especially deadlifts.
So many people go to gyms lifting mega heavy with the wrong form are not getting the full potential out of there workout and are prone to injure them selfs.

Ultrasonic · 15-08-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardrive

Any way when starting out bodybuilding or lifting weights start small and work on the princable of 8 to 12 reps per set dont go heavy get your form right first then you can up the weight.

I'm glad to here you say that as it's very much what I've been doing, especially with deadlifts and squats. I started doing these about 6 weeks ago with very light weights, as the movements were just so new to me I kind of felt 'unstable' just doing them. Now I've been doing them for a while I feel much more 'solid' doing them, and am used to the movements, and so am starting to push the weight up. Maybe I'll try to stick to 8 reps for deadlifts to stay at the safer end of things though...

15-08-2004, 01:14 PM

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Sorry James if this contradicts your advice but a newbee lifting heavy weights before mastering form is dangerous especially deadlifts.

i couldn't agree more. but you have overlooked one thing. just because i reccomend 5's, triples and singles on DL's doesn't mean they have to be heavy.

i must have posted this about 10 times on this forum already (so i am sorry for those that think i ma repeating myself), but deadlifts, like you say, and like i said in the original post, are technically very difficult to get spot on. thats exactly why you shouldn't rep out on them above 3-5.

do you tink your form is going to be as good on rep 24 (using 3x8 as an example) as it was on rep 1? i don't, and people that do often end up injured. then they blame the deadlift, instead of the real culpirt, themselves.

no one has said you have to go heavy to do 10x1, 10x2 / whatever, just don't rep out. thats all i am saying.

also, i can see my opener in the other post was taken to mean something it wasn't mean't to be. there is no shame n not knowing what a deadlift is, or any exercise.

Ultrasonic · 15-08-2004, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by James.Titor

do you tink your form is going to be as good on rep 24 (using 3x8 as an example) as it was on rep 1? i don't,...

That will surely depend on the weight involved? I mean, are you telling me that you don't think you could do this at any weight? Surely if you went light enough you could. I guess then you'd say the weight was too light to be doing much good though.

How many sets of three reps would you recommend?

15-08-2004, 01:42 PM

i don't reccomend numbers of sets for learning an exercise. that would be close to impossible. i for example have the dimensions to make the biomecanhics of the deadlift very efficient. making me a "natural" deadlifter. as such it deos not take me long to get back "in the groove" after a period of not deadlifting. it didn't take me long to learn the form either. my friend Tom on the other hand is 6'9'', has a long torso and short arms, he has considerable trouble with deadlifts and form, no to mention the increased ROM owing to the fact he is not a natural puller.

if i had to put a figure on it, i would say 7-15x1/2/3.

which do you think would better suit the needs of a beginner deadlifter, with the fact that form does deteriorate during the course of a set in the front of your mind:

lifter [a] - doing 3x8 with 70kg
or lifter [b] doing 8x3 with 100kg???

i knwo what i would reccomend. i would rather go slightly heavier, do soem good, hard work, and not risk using bad form on at the end of a 8 rep set, and therefore risking serious injury.

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Surely if you went light enough you could. I guess then you'd say the weight was too light to be doing much good though.

my point exactly.

15-08-2004, 01:45 PM

in my opinion, for compound exercises, if you are doing more than 5 sets, and less than 5 reps, you can't go far wrong.

Ultrasonic · 15-08-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by James.Titor

if i had to put a figure on it, i would say 7-15x1/2/3.

which do you think would better suit the needs of a beginner deadlifter, with the fact that form does deteriorate during the course of a set in the front of your mind:

lifter [a] - doing 3x8 with 70kg
or lifter [b] doing 8x3 with 100kg???

Right what you say makes sense. I hadn't initally appreciated you were recommending more sets to still give a similar number of total reps. Glad I asked. I can certainly see the logic in what you've said and will probably give this a try. Oh, BTW, I'm a real beginner (skinny guy) and I doubt I could deadlift 70kg for one rep!

15-08-2004, 02:08 PM

glad to see i have been of help. i hate it when someone is doing something dangerous and can't see it. <<<<(every time i step in a gym these days :(). anyways, no need to apologise for being a beginner. the first time i pulled a deadlift i didn't get much over 70kg either.

what kind of gains are you making at the moment? and what is your current routine? maybe i can help you in other areas too?

Ultrasonic · 15-08-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by James.Titor

what kind of gains are you making at the moment? and what is your current routine? maybe i can help you in other areas too?

Cheers for the offer James. I'm 6'2" tall and weighed 67.3kg first thing this morning, which is up 3.7kg on 6 weeks ago. I'll post my workout in a seperate post sometime soon, but have got to dash now.

15-08-2004, 03:23 PM

good. your adding about 1-1.5lbs a week. thats some good gains for a natural.

do post your routuine up, and post your diet up in the D+N forum, i am not a nutrition whizz, but i can offer some advice.

Panthro · 16-08-2004, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Habby

Why wont 200 bicep curls do anything?? If that wont do anything, then what will?

lol, well mate, 200 reps is useless! To put on size you need to use much lower reps and much higher weight.. try 6-12 reps!

Killerkeane · 17-08-2004, 01:03 AM

habby, go to the gaining weight section, and you will find some invaluable advice and information regarding everything you need to know.

skizxi · 19-09-2004, 11:04 PM

cut back on the creatine 4 x 5gm a day is far to much, youll just be ****ing most of it out, alevel teaspoon and day is plenty. on wk out days take it just after wk out and on non wk out days take it first thing in the morning. also best taking it with cramberry juice or grape juice ( something with simple sugers to get it into the blood streem quicker

15-08-2004, 01:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
James.Titor Guest Posts: n/a	in my opinion, for compound exercises, if you are doing more than 5 sets, and less than 5 reps, you can't go far wrong.

15-08-2004, 02:08 PM	#23 (permalink)
James.Titor Guest Posts: n/a	glad to see i have been of help. i hate it when someone is doing something dangerous and can't see it. <<<<(every time i step in a gym these days :(). anyways, no need to apologise for being a beginner. the first time i pulled a deadlift i didn't get much over 70kg either. what kind of gains are you making at the moment? and what is your current routine? maybe i can help you in other areas too?

15-08-2004, 03:23 PM	#25 (permalink)
James.Titor Guest Posts: n/a	good. your adding about 1-1.5lbs a week. thats some good gains for a natural. do post your routuine up, and post your diet up in the D+N forum, i am not a nutrition whizz, but i can offer some advice.

17-08-2004, 01:03 AM	#27 (permalink)
Killerkeane The Geezer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Somerset although im not proud lol. Posts: 2,978	habby, go to the gaining weight section, and you will find some invaluable advice and information regarding everything you need to know.

19-09-2004, 11:04 PM	#28 (permalink)
skizxi Looking Freaky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: north wales Posts: 535	cut back on the creatine 4 x 5gm a day is far to much, youll just be ****ing most of it out, alevel teaspoon and day is plenty. on wk out days take it just after wk out and on non wk out days take it first thing in the morning. also best taking it with cramberry juice or grape juice ( something with simple sugers to get it into the blood streem quicker