warren_1987

what are some good exersices for the shoulders i was that rounded look on my delts so i can see more of a contrast between shoulder and arm,

im 15%bf so sould be able to see some sort of contrast but so far i dont.

i train my shoulders with my legs and the day is like this

5x5

squat
leg press
press and clean
shoulder press
calf raises
side raises

im constantly hitting more weight and pushing myself but cant see a conntrast unless i tense.

iv seen people with higher bf% with the taper leading to the side of the bi and iv seen smaller people than me with it but with lower bf%

is it justa mix between muscle size and bf%

Porky Pie

Heavy presses and shrugs work well enough. Side laterals if you feel you have to. Rear delts get hammered when you do your rows.

You are doing the right thing by concentrating on getting stronger - your shoulders will develop from that.

warren_1987

cool well i have based my whole routine on

squat
deadlift
bench

what rows will affet them , i do db 1 arm B.O.R

cheers warren

Porky Pie

1 arm dumbbell rows are great - squeeze at the top. When you get up to using 150lbs'ers, you will have massive rear delts.

Any rowing action uses rear delt to an extent - in many respects this is what your rear delts are "for" as opposed to the isolation exercises we are all familiar with.

Five-O

Its also called training experience, if I remember right Warren you haven't been training that long, give it 6-9 months with a spot on solid diet to see some good results.

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ANDY-D

good work mate keep it up

warren_1987

i ave been training since i was 16 but just never got to the point where i was happy, the longest run i had was about a year nonstop but had various problems mainly kcal intake as i was at 6th form most the time. i know my physcal appearance will change with all aspects sorted but i see people in my gym who have less muscle mass than me and still have this so i figured it might be exercise or 2 im not including

wogihao

Another issue is that the guys with massive delts for the most part arent natty trainers. rember delts and traps are the first things to grow when you start useing because of the number of receptors there.

But like others have said its about muscle maturity as well your not going to see tie-ins/seperation like your talking about for a while.

SCJP

Might be a bit gay, but you could always ask them?

I think you'll find what you observed & written in the above quote is down to genetics.

SCJP

Wogi, have you got strange hair or a hat on in your avatar?

warren_1987

cheers for the replys,

well im hopeing the weight comes quicker tan when i was younger, i have trials for a american football team for uni in june time .

i got weighed not lang ago and i have gained 3.5lbs in around 3 weeks but dont know hom much will be water and fat

my abs are more visable so i guess cant have gained much.if any

wogihao

du rag.

SCJP

Is it continental?

wogihao

here ya go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_rag

It keeps the sweat out of my eyes when i train.

Five-O

It sounds like good progress mate, if you were putting on 10lbs in 3 weeks id be more worried about it being water and fat, nice slow gains like that normally point towards good growth.

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