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Old 20-01-2008, 09:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is failure an option or a must

im a little confused to about do yor weights to failure i was reading a magazine that says its not an option but a must for size deffinition and muscle is this true?
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Old 20-01-2008, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

Stop reading magazines, , they will do you no good.

It depends where you are with your training mate.

I highly recommend you read BRAWN, you can get it off Amazon, it is worth 1000 magazines.
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Old 20-01-2008, 10:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ok ill do that thanks,

i am no where with my training just started last week after very very very long spell off so basically beginner again.
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Old 20-01-2008, 10:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

If you just started training, then dont train to failure imo.

But make sure you understand exactly what failure is, as many misunderstand what it means , or when they have reached it.

Not to failure doesnt mean you dont have to train hard tho!

And i second what Nytol said, buy "beyond brawn" by stewart McRobert, best £15 (or whatever it cost) that your ever spend.
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Old 20-01-2008, 10:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

Depends......reaching failure on squats would be dangerous but reaching failure on barbell curls wouldnt be dangerous.
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Old 20-01-2008, 11:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Depends......reaching failure on squats would be dangerous but reaching failure on barbell curls wouldnt be dangerous.
I've never worried about failing on squats before. I just let the bar drop onto the rack.

The only exercise I don't like failing on is the bench, but only because I look like a bit of a t1t trying to wriggle the bar off me.
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Old 21-01-2008, 09:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

I'm in the same position as you mate. Getting started again after a long spell off.
When I was training before I had a good spotter (train alone now) and I would go to failure on the last set for each body part and push out maybe 2 partner assisted reps, but still keeping form as near perfect as possible. I found this helped a LOT!! I don't know if this was right or wrong but it seemed to work for me. I wouldn't do for a while yet though if I was you.

I'm sure someone with more knowledge than me will be along soon to keep you right though.

HTH....Ian
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Old 21-01-2008, 01:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

imo you should alternate... eg. go to failure once a month on each excercise, all the time would be stupid and dangerous
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

Think its best to have a spotter when your planning on training to failure isnt it?
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Old 21-01-2008, 01:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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ok ill do that thanks,

i am no where with my training just started last week after very very very long spell off so basically beginner again.
mate!!get some 2nd hand weights and a bench, will cost under 50 quid!!!get into your push ups, pull ups and sit ups and barvell exercises...and you wont go wrong!!cut down on booze also, i know its the old cliche but i stopped drinking 100% for months now and it works!

whenever your watching tv, do 50 push/sit ups every 15 mins or so!!start hitting the runs and you wont go wrong! theres a lot of massive guys here, but it takes a while to get like that, so to sart with this simple stuff and you will see the results soon!there are a lot of fancy exercises out there, but master this simple stuff 1st!!!and no matter how hardcore your training gets in the future- never stop these simple routines!!
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Old 21-01-2008, 06:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Is failure an option or a must

It is an option.
Failure in my mind is about intensity.
If you lower the intensity you have to up the volume, or maybe even up the frequency.
The deeper you go in the intensity, the longer you will have to go on recovery.

My knees are kind of shot, so, I use more volume and more frequency when I train legs to get the stimilus I am looking for.
If I went on heavy intensity I would probably have an injury, that would put me farther back than where I want to go.

Shoulder is a bit dodgy too, so the same rule applies here as well.
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It is an option.
Failure in my mind is about intensity.
If you lower the intensity you have to up the volume, or maybe even up the frequency.
The deeper you go in the intensity, the longer you will have to go on recovery.

My knees are kind of shot, so, I use more volume and more frequency when I train legs to get the stimilus I am looking for.
If I went on heavy intensity I would probably have an injury, that would put me farther back than where I want to go.

Shoulder is a bit dodgy too, so the same rule applies here as well.
Your falling to bits hackster

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It is an option.
Failure in my mind is about intensity.
If you lower the intensity you have to up the volume, or maybe even up the frequency.
The deeper you go in the intensity, the longer you will have to go on recovery.

My knees are kind of shot, so, I use more volume and more frequency when I train legs to get the stimilus I am looking for.
If I went on heavy intensity I would probably have an injury, that would put me farther back than where I want to go.

Shoulder is a bit dodgy too, so the same rule applies here as well.
Your starting to make about as much sense as yoda
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Hey man, if Yoda can teach a runt from the desert to make rocks float, i'll listen to Hacksii.
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