pentle

Ok cool

Will start addin maybe a coupke of hand full of nuts in a day then.

Shake is just a protien shake

i take it i need more than that?

ah24

Thats a good point bully.

With beginners it's always best to focus on pound progression, that's what complete new guys to the gym should do - IMO.

But then when is it you decide to progress them? 6weeks, 2months, 6months, a year?

It's awkward over computer as you can't see exact progress, that's where working in a gym with clients is handy, I see all types of routines and can watch them progress work-out by work-out or in some cases they may plateu so I can either cut work down or add in things...what we have to remember is one-size doesn't fit all.

As I mentioned in my thread, I jumped straight onto a 4 day split routine I found in flex after about 3months - and where most would say I would of been hugely over-trained, surprisingly enough I actually did really well and put just under a stone on in bodyweight.

At the moment it really seems like 99% of people on message boards are always going on about over-training. Yes, it's an issue but I honestly don't think it's a big a problem as people make-out (providing diet is 100%)....I think more people under-train than over-train when they get advice off these boards as they sh1t themselves thinking they're going to over-train if they do that little extra.

Aslong as diet is good, rest is good then muscle is hard to over-train - its the CNS and PNS that get over-trained, which is why we use de-loading periods and well though-out routines.

Just to point out, as you probably know bully, this is absolutely nothing personal, I usually agree with pretty much all you say and get on well with you - just giving food for thought

ParaManiac

Carbs- dextrose,malto,WMS/Vitargo/cornflour or even oats(For the none insulin spikers amongst us)

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chrisj22

High volume workouts aren't terrible at all, it's what works for you. IMO, a nice break is required every 6-7 weeks on a high volume workout.

Bulldozer

No worries bud ;)

I totally agree that everybody is different and there are many roads to rome.

I still maintain that lots of people overtrain tho lol.

Besides i would rather undertrain than overtrain.

Overtrain = no progress and perhaps go backwards
undertrain= small amount of progress. But its still progress ;)


My workouts would probably shock you mate, you would think "is that it" probably lol. But its working still ;)

ParaManiac

I believe when new to the gym the body will respond positivley to any stimulus regardless of volume,as long as adequate nutrition is present.

Both ah24 and Bully make valid points,and i agree with ah24,far too many overtraining theories about,however saying that,i tend to lean towards the compound/less is more argument for newbies so as to get the basics right and perfect form.

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Bulldozer

100% agreed

For the newbie pretty much anything works, but somethings work better than others.

Think Mark Rippetoe said that IIRC