will cardio affect muscle growth? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

colt24 · 29-11-2007, 10:17 PM

I've been on this new diet for about 3 months now and have gained alot of weight. starting to see the early signs of love handles, i want to gain mass but still be tonned.

Would doing cardio affect my ability to grow bigger muscle?

thanks

gym rat · 29-11-2007, 10:51 PM

it shouldnt mate, if you keep your pace at say 60% you should be fine, this will peel the fat off, but if you go any harder the body will fuel itself on the food in your stomach and the goodness in your muscles, add 2 to 3 cardio sssions a week and you should be fine

**hackskii** · 29-11-2007, 10:54 PM

Diet for fat loss, cardio for heart health, resistance training for strength and size, stretching for flexibility.

Some is ok, many feel you wont lose any muscle when doing cardio but I doubt that.
Reduce the cals slightly.

How much weight have you been gaining in a week?

colt24 · 29-11-2007, 11:07 PM

what should i be aiming at for 60% pace?

hm about 1lbs week :e maybe bit more..

colt24 · 29-11-2007, 11:07 PM

what should i be aiming at for 60% pace?

hm about 1lbs week :e maybe bit more..

**hackskii** · 29-11-2007, 11:17 PM

Well, that is the problem then, you cant gain more then a pound a week of muscle, unless you are doing something very exotic.

I have heard that a half a pound a week is about all or the most you can gain and even this is under ideal circomstances and even this I highly doubt.
A pound a month would be a good figure.

Many guys lose nothing but yet still gain muscle so they will lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, subtle but doable none the less.

colt24 · 29-11-2007, 11:34 PM

What should i do?
Just add more cardio days?

**hackskii** · 30-11-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by colt24

What should i do?
Just add more cardio days?

Simple, either add more cardio days or take away some food or a combination of both.
500 cals extra a day will net one pound at the end of a week.

Chris4Pez · 01-12-2007, 09:43 PM

I have had the same sort of problem to be honest but what i have found is it is all trial and error on diet factor as like hacks said diet is what effects the bodies fat percentage in more ways than one e.g insufficient insulin spikes can cause fat to be gained in the body and also eating fats after a workout can also!

I do sales for a living and it includes me walking a lot (yes i am one of these door to door sales men, the ones who annoy you lol

) so i stopped cardio in my workout i only did about 10 minutes before a workout on the treadmill if that to warm up and 5 minutes after a workout to cool down, but one thing i noticed was that my resting heart rate went up thus concluding no matter if your bulking or cutting cardio plays a key role in your training if you want to stay healthy!

So even though now i am still in the bulking phase of training i still tend to do cardio as this i find is one of the most important factors of training as it trains the most important muscle in the body YOUR HEART which too many people tend to forget about in this sport as you cant see if but believe me if it gets unwell you will certainly feel it!!!!

ParaManiac · 02-12-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris4Pez

e.g insufficient insulin spikes can cause fat to be gained in the body and also eating fats after a workout can also!

Chris,can you explain that statement.

Spiking insulin encourages fat gain and is not desirable at any other time than pwo,and that is debatable.

Chris4Pez · 02-12-2007, 03:24 PM

Spiking insulin can be bad in several ways first obviously the more times your pancreas has to create insulin due to what you eat the more strain it has on it therefore could result in long term in developing diabetes (thats why diabetes used to be what people would call an old persons disease as to say, as if you look at what old people use to eat it use to be a varied diet of porridge in the morning, a well balanced dinner and something like meat and potato's for tea, where as it is now more common in younger people due to things like their diet/lifestyle and weight as a result of it)

Also as described on another post on here by someone else

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Too many calories from carbohydrates at one time will be stored as fat. Carbohydrates that are digested fast (called sugars, simple carbs, or simple sugars) will be more likely to be stored as fat because the body doesn't get enough time to burn the calories. Foods that include simple carbs and sugars are fruits, fruit juice, sweets and junkfood containing sugar (including candy, cookies, cakes, soda, etc.) Obviously, you will want to limit the amount of simple carbs that you take in. The only time it is advantageous to take in simple carbs is immediately after training, when your body's glycogen stores are low. Taking in simple sugars at this time will allow your body to replenish glycogen stores more quickly (in short, this means faster recovery, which translates to quicker growth).

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Carbohydrates also affect blood sugar, muscle glycogen levels and insulin production. But for the purpose of keeping this article "beginner friendly", I won't get into all of that. Just remember that when you take in simple carbs (sweets/sugars) your blood sugar spikes relatively fast and then drops that much faster (unless they are taken in after training), which will leave you feeling tired, sleepy, and even a craving for more sugar or carbs. This is another reason why slow burning carbs are preferred.

I am sure there is much more info on here and other web sites that back up what i am saying that insufficient insulin spikes are not only bad for you but also will help the body store the carbs that you eat as fat!

Chris4Pez · 02-12-2007, 03:49 PM

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Insulin is the hormone secreted by the pancreas that's primary purpose is to transport blood sugar or glucose (derived primarily from carbohydrates) into the cells for energy. It also moves amino acids into the tissues for their anabolic action. Not incidentally, insulin in excess is a very potent fat storage agent, a fat builder.

Pancreas
The pancreas is a glandular organ that secretes digestive enzymes and hormones. In humans, the pancreas is a yellowish organ about 7 in. (17.8 cm) long and 1.5 in. (3.8 cm) wide.
It lies beneath the stomach and is connected to the small intestine at the duodenum. Most of the pancreatic tissue consists of grapelike clusters of cells that produce a clear fluid (pancreatic juice) that flows into the duodenum through a common duct along with bile from the liver.

Any given person is more or less insulin resistant or insulin sensitive, depending on a wide variety of conditions including:

Obesity
Lack of exercise
Excessive sugar intake
Insufficient dietary fat
Emotional stress
Genetic predisposition.
Insulin resistance is fast becoming the medical problem of this day and age.

When carbohydrates are eaten excessively, insulin remains chronically high and the cells over time adapt to its presence and become resistant to its function; additional insulin is demanded to carry on its job of transporting sugar into cells for energy, thereby lowering blood sugar.

The persistent and long-term elevation of insulin and glucose in the blood stream cause havoc on the system. Impaired insulin activity inhibits sugar burning and initiates its storage as fat (adipose tissue).

Damage to arterial walls result in cardiovascular disease and insulin-resistance might very well lead to adult-onset diabetes. It is noted that insulin and growth hormone are mutually antagonistic.

taken from Bodybuilding.com

ah24 · 02-12-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris4Pez

I am sure there is much more info on here and other web sites that back up what i am saying that insufficient insulin spikes are not only bad for you but also will help the body store the carbs that you eat as fat!

Load of sh1t IMO.

Also, it doesn't just 'store carbs as fat', it forces fat cells to take on lipids...which are then converted to triglycerides.

Chris4Pez · 02-12-2007, 03:53 PM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mohr57.htm

ah24 · 02-12-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris4Pez

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mohr57.htm

What are we supposed to be reading? Most of that's pretty basic.

29-11-2007, 10:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
colt24 Getting there.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 296	will cardio affect muscle growth? I've been on this new diet for about 3 months now and have gained alot of weight. starting to see the early signs of love handles, i want to gain mass but still be tonned. Would doing cardio affect my ability to grow bigger muscle? thanks

29-11-2007, 10:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
gym rat loving the bulk Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ireland,londonderry Posts: 2,373	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? it shouldnt mate, if you keep your pace at say 60% you should be fine, this will peel the fat off, but if you go any harder the body will fuel itself on the food in your stomach and the goodness in your muscles, add 2 to 3 cardio sssions a week and you should be fine

29-11-2007, 10:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,160	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? Diet for fat loss, cardio for heart health, resistance training for strength and size, stretching for flexibility. Some is ok, many feel you wont lose any muscle when doing cardio but I doubt that. Reduce the cals slightly. How much weight have you been gaining in a week? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

29-11-2007, 11:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
colt24 Getting there.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 296	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? what should i be aiming at for 60% pace? hm about 1lbs week :e maybe bit more..

29-11-2007, 11:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
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29-11-2007, 11:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,160	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? Well, that is the problem then, you cant gain more then a pound a week of muscle, unless you are doing something very exotic. I have heard that a half a pound a week is about all or the most you can gain and even this is under ideal circomstances and even this I highly doubt. A pound a month would be a good figure. Many guys lose nothing but yet still gain muscle so they will lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, subtle but doable none the less. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

29-11-2007, 11:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
colt24 Getting there.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 296	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? What should i do? Just add more cardio days?

01-12-2007, 09:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chris4Pez “If you can dream it, you can do it.” Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,124	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? I have had the same sort of problem to be honest but what i have found is it is all trial and error on diet factor as like hacks said diet is what effects the bodies fat percentage in more ways than one e.g insufficient insulin spikes can cause fat to be gained in the body and also eating fats after a workout can also! I do sales for a living and it includes me walking a lot (yes i am one of these door to door sales men, the ones who annoy you lol ) so i stopped cardio in my workout i only did about 10 minutes before a workout on the treadmill if that to warm up and 5 minutes after a workout to cool down, but one thing i noticed was that my resting heart rate went up thus concluding no matter if your bulking or cutting cardio plays a key role in your training if you want to stay healthy! So even though now i am still in the bulking phase of training i still tend to do cardio as this i find is one of the most important factors of training as it trains the most important muscle in the body YOUR HEART which too many people tend to forget about in this sport as you cant see if but believe me if it gets unwell you will certainly feel it!!!!

02-12-2007, 03:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
Chris4Pez “If you can dream it, you can do it.” Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,124	Re: will cardio affect muscle growth? http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mohr57.htm

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