machines vs free wights - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

welsh_ryan · 07-10-2007, 08:27 PM

atm i'm doing all free wights compund movements

whats the down fall with useing machines ??

iv tryed to search for it but cant find anything that explains why machines wont make u strong or fitter ??

anyone help me at all

just wanna know so i know the score realy

any help be great

**Jimmy** · 07-10-2007, 08:30 PM

some machines movements wont hit the core muscles as well

but great if prone to injury imo

welsh_ryan · 07-10-2007, 08:37 PM

do the machines work as in work the mucles so if u hit them hard thay will grow ??

as i have a big mate and he finds it hard to do free wights hes 22-24st and the machines gives him better form as well he wonts to do wights along with the cardio hes doing.

ParaManiac · 08-10-2007, 09:56 AM

Provided you stimulate the muscle enough and your diet and recovery are good then of course you will grow,be it free weight or machines.

The advantage of free weights,as jimmy has stated,is that you are bringing core and stabiliser muscles in to play so subsequently you are stimulating more overall growth.

Learney · 08-10-2007, 10:08 AM

Training time spent on Machines IMO should be restricted or varied more. Over time they can cause injuries due to pattern overload (using the exact same movement pattern every movement).

Structured correctly into a program they can be great for unloading or as Jimmy said if you're injury prone.

If the movement doesnt feel right for you though....dont do it!!
(That isnt an excuse for if you find it hard LOL)

Phil

mickus · 08-10-2007, 10:22 AM

22-24stone that is one big lad there ryan jesus I jealous!!!

welsh_ryan · 08-10-2007, 10:59 AM

lol it aint all mass or mucle mate hes overwight and hes short as well so looks big think hes 5ft8 but i thought id ask on here to see about him useing the machines will help him out a bit coz hes doing cadio 5times a week atm.

Learney · 08-10-2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welsh_ryan

lol it aint all mass or mucle mate hes overwight and hes short as well so looks big think hes 5ft8 but i thought id ask on here to see about him useing the machines will help him out a bit coz hes doing cadio 5times a week atm.

Needs to lift weight IMO.

He'll naturally have a large amount of muscle tissue, should use it to his advantage. Circuit training

Again just assumptive but he'll probably be Insulin Resistant with that kind of weight. Good Pre and post workout structure, eat regular feedings of good quality food and intense weight sessions, 45 mins max.

It'll drop off him!

Phil

welsh_ryan · 08-10-2007, 12:40 PM

thanks mate

i'm pushing him to stick at it now hes doing ok he is the only 1 who can sort his diet out but iv told him now **** at all till u see good good wight lose

Kezz · 08-10-2007, 03:46 PM

one thing that ****es me off about free weights is when someone asks you to pass em a big fk off heavy dumbell off the floor to do shoulder press with, then do about 5 wobbly reps before dropping them, i refuse to do it now as if you cant lift em up on your own you shouldnt be attempting the fookers

07-10-2007, 08:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
welsh_ryan Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 195	machines vs free wights atm i'm doing all free wights compund movements whats the down fall with useing machines ?? iv tryed to search for it but cant find anything that explains why machines wont make u strong or fitter ?? anyone help me at all just wanna know so i know the score realy any help be great __________________ It aint about how hard u hit its about how hard u get hit and keep moving forward. No pain no gain

07-10-2007, 08:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jimmy UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Forest gym crawley Posts: 4,412	Re: machines vs free wights some machines movements wont hit the core muscles as well but great if prone to injury imo __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* 'Genetics is the science of heredity and variation in living organisms. Inheritance in organisms occurs by means of discrete traits, called genes.'

07-10-2007, 08:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
welsh_ryan Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 195	Re: machines vs free wights do the machines work as in work the mucles so if u hit them hard thay will grow ?? as i have a big mate and he finds it hard to do free wights hes 22-24st and the machines gives him better form as well he wonts to do wights along with the cardio hes doing. __________________ It aint about how hard u hit its about how hard u get hit and keep moving forward. No pain no gain

08-10-2007, 09:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
ParaManiac Fvckin refs! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,968	Re: machines vs free wights Provided you stimulate the muscle enough and your diet and recovery are good then of course you will grow,be it free weight or machines. The advantage of free weights,as jimmy has stated,is that you are bringing core and stabiliser muscles in to play so subsequently you are stimulating more overall growth.

08-10-2007, 10:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
Learney Trainer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London Posts: 29	Re: machines vs free wights Training time spent on Machines IMO should be restricted or varied more. Over time they can cause injuries due to pattern overload (using the exact same movement pattern every movement). Structured correctly into a program they can be great for unloading or as Jimmy said if you're injury prone. If the movement doesnt feel right for you though....dont do it!! (That isnt an excuse for if you find it hard LOL) Phil

08-10-2007, 10:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
mickus Looking Freaky Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North London Posts: 518	Re: machines vs free wights 22-24stone that is one big lad there ryan jesus I jealous!!!

08-10-2007, 10:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
welsh_ryan Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 195	Re: machines vs free wights lol it aint all mass or mucle mate hes overwight and hes short as well so looks big think hes 5ft8 but i thought id ask on here to see about him useing the machines will help him out a bit coz hes doing cadio 5times a week atm. __________________ It aint about how hard u hit its about how hard u get hit and keep moving forward. No pain no gain

08-10-2007, 12:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
welsh_ryan Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 195	Re: machines vs free wights thanks mate i'm pushing him to stick at it now hes doing ok he is the only 1 who can sort his diet out but iv told him now ** at all till u see good good wight lose __________________ It aint about how hard u hit its about how hard u get hit and keep moving forward. No pain no gain**

08-10-2007, 03:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kezz Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Wales Posts: 2,278	Re: machines vs free wights one thing that ****es me off about free weights is when someone asks you to pass em a big fk off heavy dumbell off the floor to do shoulder press with, then do about 5 wobbly reps before dropping them, i refuse to do it now as if you cant lift em up on your own you shouldnt be attempting the fookers

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