Biceps and Deadlifts - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Gtiracer · 17-06-2007, 01:13 AM

Ok so im not exactly a beginner - Ive been doing this a couple of years on and off but im not showing anywhere near as much progression as i should be by now so ill knock my pride on the head and call myself a beginner.

Been swatting up on my info from this site, really useful stuff, the main lacking attribute on my body i feel is my arms, i have always been a skinny rake, my shoulders accelerate faster than anything else, and arms the slowest.

What i have gathered is that by concentrating on improving on other excercises such as Deadlifts, squats, Bench etc my bi's will come into play with that - I now recognise from the info read that i have been well over-training my bi's as it is hence the slow growth.

So my questions are

1) having read an article completely seperate from this site is it true i should not do any bicep 'specific' excercises for 4-6 weeks while concentrating heavier on other exercises mentioned earlier to benefit from bigger arms?

2) With deadlifts (the ones you pick from the floor to go over your head right?) how many should you do? because its not as if you can constantly rep them?

3)In arm training routines on the web you see advice for triceps and biceps but i've always been taught never to do bi's and tri's in the same workout, which method is correct please?

Oh and thanks for your patience on pretty much my first post

Truewarrior1 · 17-06-2007, 01:18 AM

1) especially pulling movements.
2) no that is not a deadlift that would be a snatch or a overhead press
3) up to you.

DAMN that was a fast reply from me.

Gtiracer · 17-06-2007, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Truewarrior1

1) especially pulling movements.
2) no that is not a deadlift that would be a snatch or a overhead press
3) up to you.

DAMN that was a fast reply from me.

Maybe fast, but unfortunately buddy i could do with a bit more info if you know?

Can you explain a deadlift to me then if i have got that wrong please

what do you mean with mean by 'especially' pulling excercises, i dont understand how to relate this to the question, maybe me just being tired or stupid

With questyion 3 have you personally had positive or negative results of doing it this way or does it just vary on every person

Stanco · 17-06-2007, 08:41 AM

Click this link to see what a deadlift really is

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...BDeadlift.html

You're right when you say that to have bigger arms, you should work them out less and focus on the compound exercises like squat, bench and deadlift. Your biceps get worked enough already on those exersises. If you really want to target your biceps, do 3 sets of barbell curl a week with a high intensity and that should be enough.

SportDr · 17-06-2007, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gtiracer

Ok so im not exactly a beginner - Ive been doing this a couple of years on and off but im not showing anywhere near as much progression as i should be by now so ill knock my pride on the head and call myself a beginner.

Been swatting up on my info from this site, really useful stuff, the main lacking attribute on my body i feel is my arms, i have always been a skinny rake, my shoulders accelerate faster than anything else, and arms the slowest.

What i have gathered is that by concentrating on improving on other excercises such as Deadlifts, squats, Bench etc my bi's will come into play with that - I now recognise from the info read that i have been well over-training my bi's as it is hence the slow growth.

So my questions are

1) having read an article completely seperate from this site is it true i should not do any bicep 'specific' excercises for 4-6 weeks while concentrating heavier on other exercises mentioned earlier to benefit from bigger arms? What Truewarrior was trying to say was that by performing pulling movements, e.g Seated rows, your arms get worked at the same time. There is a school of thought that says if your upper arms are under 14" in circumference then you shouldn't specifically train them at all, I am not sure I agree. Do an arm routine, with no more than 6 WORK sets, you still need warm up sets, at a rep range that you agree with.

2) With deadlifts (the ones you pick from the floor to go over your head right?) how many should you do? because its not as if you can constantly rep them? How many depends on the weight you are using and your goals. As true warrior said, the exercise described is not a deadlift its a clean, snatch and press but hey ho, still a good compound exercise. Generally you could do anywhere between 4 and 12 reps.

3)In arm training routines on the web you see advice for triceps and biceps but i've always been taught never to do bi's and tri's in the same workout, which method is correct please? There is no 'Golden' training method. I train them seperately personally as I like to concentrate on one thing at a time, but you may want to spend less time down the gym. Other ways to train them are with another body part such as back & bis, chest and tris, or bis and tris, or seperately.

Oh and thanks for your patience on pretty much my first post

You need to go to exrx.net look up the exercise directory and check out back exercises that will hit your bis and also look at good bicep exercises. You can search by the muscle you want to train but pretty much most Lattisimus Dorsi exercises are pulling movements which work the arm.

SD

**big** · 17-06-2007, 09:48 AM

I always find it odd when people complain about arm size and then refer purely to their bicep... Bicep makes up about 1/3rd of the arm size... tricep makes up the other 2/3rds. MOST people who have "small" arms are actually lacking in tricep mass.

By all means, follow the advice above regarding hitting pulling compounds rather than bicep isolation work, as it is solid, but don't forget your triceps.

Truewarrior1 · 17-06-2007, 05:02 PM

thanks SD, i shud use u more to explain things for me

Gtiracer · 17-06-2007, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big

I always find it odd when people complain about arm size and then refer purely to their bicep... Bicep makes up about 1/3rd of the arm size... tricep makes up the other 2/3rds. MOST people who have "small" arms are actually lacking in tricep mass.

By all means, follow the advice above regarding hitting pulling compounds rather than bicep isolation work, as it is solid, but don't forget your triceps.

Although i may not have mentioned it, I promise you i havent overlooked them, in fact I have changed my routine to accomodate a slightly heavier tricep workout and on a seperate day decreased my bicep workout by quite a bit and then i will hopefully benefit from doing this.

i train three days a week and have decided to seperate tri's and bi's, my diet is also not overlooked and i do eat fairly well but every now and then i am guilty of pigging out on chocolate or something else i shouldn't.

Problem with me is that i dont have enough discipline in my diet either because whatever i eat i wont put on weight and cannot get over 10st, i have certyainly put on muscle but cannot get past this weight barrier - Im hoping by changing my routine this will change as well

**Nytol** · 17-06-2007, 05:51 PM

Buy the book BRAWN, it will explain all, and be exaclty what you need at the moment.

I think your arms would grow more at this stage by NOT working them, but it takes a brave man to make that move,

Gtiracer · 17-06-2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nytol

Buy the book BRAWN, it will explain all, and be exaclty what you need at the moment.

I think your arms would grow more at this stage by NOT working them, but it takes a brave man to make that move,

Your not wrong, i really dont want to not work them but what i had planned is just doing 4 sets of incline curls with a lighter weight and 100% form and let that be it for 6 weeks or so to see what happens.

Do you think not training them at all would give me bigger benefits

**Nytol** · 18-06-2007, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gtiracer

Your not wrong, i really dont want to not work them but what i had planned is just doing 4 sets of incline curls with a lighter weight and 100% form and let that be it for 6 weeks or so to see what happens.

Do you think not training them at all would give me bigger benefits

Yes, concentrate on getting your bench, and chins up, then your arms will grow.

If you double your strength on the major exercises, I am 100% positive you will see significant arm growth.

invisiblekid · 18-06-2007, 10:18 AM

Measure your growth on the size of your chest, shoulders, back and quads - not your arms.
I've never seen a guy with a massive chest/back with small arms...

If you suspect you are over training your arms why not stop training them for a while and concentrate on your main lifts. If your arms again fail to grow then add in a set of curls. This way you'll know you aren't failing due to over training (your arms).

If your biceps are knackered by over training you are severely restricting your potential in other, more important (at this stage) lifts.

17-06-2007, 01:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gtiracer Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 38	Biceps and Deadlifts Ok so im not exactly a beginner - Ive been doing this a couple of years on and off but im not showing anywhere near as much progression as i should be by now so ill knock my pride on the head and call myself a beginner. Been swatting up on my info from this site, really useful stuff, the main lacking attribute on my body i feel is my arms, i have always been a skinny rake, my shoulders accelerate faster than anything else, and arms the slowest. What i have gathered is that by concentrating on improving on other excercises such as Deadlifts, squats, Bench etc my bi's will come into play with that - I now recognise from the info read that i have been well over-training my bi's as it is hence the slow growth. So my questions are 1) having read an article completely seperate from this site is it true i should not do any bicep 'specific' excercises for 4-6 weeks while concentrating heavier on other exercises mentioned earlier to benefit from bigger arms? 2) With deadlifts (the ones you pick from the floor to go over your head right?) how many should you do? because its not as if you can constantly rep them? 3)In arm training routines on the web you see advice for triceps and biceps but i've always been taught never to do bi's and tri's in the same workout, which method is correct please? Oh and thanks for your patience on pretty much my first post

17-06-2007, 01:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Truewarrior1 Hulking Out! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,829	Re: Biceps and Deadlifts 1) especially pulling movements. 2) no that is not a deadlift that would be a snatch or a overhead press 3) up to you. DAMN that was a fast reply from me. __________________ When You Dance With The Devil You Wait For The Song To Stop. Currently HULKING OUT!

17-06-2007, 08:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Stanco Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 334	Re: Biceps and Deadlifts Click this link to see what a deadlift really is http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...BDeadlift.html You're right when you say that to have bigger arms, you should work them out less and focus on the compound exercises like squat, bench and deadlift. Your biceps get worked enough already on those exersises. If you really want to target your biceps, do 3 sets of barbell curl a week with a high intensity and that should be enough.

17-06-2007, 09:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
big UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The only side effect of steroids is GREATNESS Posts: 5,416	Re: Biceps and Deadlifts I always find it odd when people complain about arm size and then refer purely to their bicep... Bicep makes up about 1/3rd of the arm size... tricep makes up the other 2/3rds. MOST people who have "small" arms are actually lacking in tricep mass. By all means, follow the advice above regarding hitting pulling compounds rather than bicep isolation work, as it is solid, but don't forget your triceps. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-06-2007, 05:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Truewarrior1 Hulking Out! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,829	Re: Biceps and Deadlifts thanks SD, i shud use u more to explain things for me __________________ When You Dance With The Devil You Wait For The Song To Stop. Currently HULKING OUT!

17-06-2007, 05:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nytol UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 4,108	Re: Biceps and Deadlifts Buy the book BRAWN, it will explain all, and be exaclty what you need at the moment. I think your arms would grow more at this stage by NOT working them, but it takes a brave man to make that move, __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

18-06-2007, 10:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
invisiblekid Hitman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 1,536	Re: Biceps and Deadlifts Measure your growth on the size of your chest, shoulders, back and quads - not your arms. I've never seen a guy with a massive chest/back with small arms... If you suspect you are over training your arms why not stop training them for a while and concentrate on your main lifts. If your arms again fail to grow then add in a set of curls. This way you'll know you aren't failing due to over training (your arms). If your biceps are knackered by over training you are severely restricting your potential in other, more important (at this stage) lifts. __________________ Most bodybuilders are actually insane. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

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