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Darryn · 06-05-2004, 11:15 AM

I've received a bad reputation from someone for this post. I have to say I have only stated fact and if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it.
The myth of upper and lower chest is the same as that of being able to hit the peak of the bicep or just the top part of the lats or lower and upper abs!
Physically it is impossible to isolate these areas as far as any information I have gathered would lead me to believe.
I'm not looking to get into a fight, but I would like to discuss with whoever has given me this 'bad rep' what is wrong with my posts? Maybe something can be cleared up and we can all learn from it. :confused:

OnePack · 06-05-2004, 12:54 PM

nothing wrong with your posts Darryn. we like u! :-)

Darryn · 06-05-2004, 01:33 PM

Thanks MatracaBergFan

the fiver's in the post.

I just felt a little like I was stabbed in the back, as no-one had contradicted my post, yet someone sent me bad rep.

Panthro · 06-05-2004, 02:23 PM

In your user CP it should tell you who gave you the rep...

**robdog** · 06-05-2004, 02:29 PM

give me a tenner mate and ill publicly(sp) say i love you

. no mate you seem sound enought to me infact you seem very knowledgable in what you say.

Darryn · 06-05-2004, 02:35 PM

For a tenner I expect you to post a pic of you in a thong with I love Darryn written in lipstick on your chest!!

Darryn · 06-05-2004, 02:41 PM

Panthro I must have missed something can't see any name attached to the bad rep. I

probably need it in brail !

**hackskii** · 06-05-2004, 05:55 PM

Darryn, look at your reputation now.

I like your posts bro. Maybe they hit disapprove instead of approve.
I need upper chest more myself. Suffering a shoulder injury isnt helping at all.
If it was me I would just put it into the thread as dissagree and explain why but I feel like I am too fwd at times especially during a cycle

Less post cycle

Darryn, check your PM's;)

Benj · 06-05-2004, 08:53 PM

When people say Incline press would hit the upper pecs, i'd emagin they were refering to the the Pectoralis Major Clavicular Head not the Sternal.

The link shows the two muscles

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/PectoralisClavicular.html

Benj

**hackskii** · 06-05-2004, 09:29 PM

Well, it would actually hit both. Bench hits both and incline hits both. I mean that all the chest is connected and one wont shut down because the other is being used. Even if you flexed your chest really hard both would get hit. Not very good but just as an example. When you walk both quad and hamstring will work together. With the exception of EMS I dont see how you could just hit one.

Darryn · 07-05-2004, 07:34 AM

BenJ, I see your point with different heads.
However, the muscle still contracts as a whole. Try it yourself, even with bis that have 2 heads try to flex one without the other. There is only a slight difference in length of the heads by turning the wrist, both will still contract.
The pecs have less variation in position and as this is the cse the force is spread evenly throughout. I want contest the fact that there is a minor degree of targeting caused by varied angles, but this is so minimal as to be generally un-noticable.
The point I'm making here is that there is no need to hammer all angles in every training session as this would just be hitting the same muscle over and over.
After this thread I'm considering swapping my flat bench to incline for a period of 6 weeks as an experiment. Once I take pics (hopefully this weekend) I can gauge progress. Taking into account the fact I'll still be on cycle and will be cutting may not be the best conditions for this, but at the least it would be worth investigating.

**hackskii** · 07-05-2004, 06:53 PM

I agree with Darryn here. More now then before. I mean that makes alot of sense.:0

Benj · 07-05-2004, 08:44 PM

I Understand what your saying mate and I have to agree with you I was just saying that the incline would put a greater workload on the upper, as aposed to say decline, I still agree that all the chest muscles will contract.
Myself I do neither i've always done flat and Dumbell Flys!

Benj

**hackskii** · 07-05-2004, 08:49 PM

I do bench and inclines for chest. This is all I do and I do go heavy. Chest is probably my best body part. I only hit it once a week but I do hit it with intensity.

06-05-2004, 12:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
OnePack UK-M's Mascot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 1,494	nothing wrong with your posts Darryn. we like u! :-) __________________ Thank you.

06-05-2004, 02:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	In your user CP it should tell you who gave you the rep... __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

06-05-2004, 02:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
robdog Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Home!! Posts: 5,579	give me a tenner mate and ill publicly(sp) say i love you. no mate you seem sound enought to me infact you seem very knowledgable in what you say.

06-05-2004, 05:55 PM	#23 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	Darryn, look at your reputation now. I like your posts bro. Maybe they hit disapprove instead of approve. I need upper chest more myself. Suffering a shoulder injury isnt helping at all. If it was me I would just put it into the thread as dissagree and explain why but I feel like I am too fwd at times especially during a cycle Less post cycle Darryn, check your PM's;) __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 06-05-2004 at 06:03 PM.

06-05-2004, 09:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	Well, it would actually hit both. Bench hits both and incline hits both. I mean that all the chest is connected and one wont shut down because the other is being used. Even if you flexed your chest really hard both would get hit. Not very good but just as an example. When you walk both quad and hamstring will work together. With the exception of EMS I dont see how you could just hit one. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-05-2004, 11:15 AM	#16 (permalink)
Darryn Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Glasgow Posts: 70	I've received a bad reputation from someone for this post. I have to say I have only stated fact and if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it. The myth of upper and lower chest is the same as that of being able to hit the peak of the bicep or just the top part of the lats or lower and upper abs! Physically it is impossible to isolate these areas as far as any information I have gathered would lead me to believe. I'm not looking to get into a fight, but I would like to discuss with whoever has given me this 'bad rep' what is wrong with my posts? Maybe something can be cleared up and we can all learn from it. :confused:

06-05-2004, 01:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
Darryn Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Glasgow Posts: 70	Thanks MatracaBergFan the fiver's in the post. I just felt a little like I was stabbed in the back, as no-one had contradicted my post, yet someone sent me bad rep.

06-05-2004, 02:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
Darryn Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Glasgow Posts: 70	For a tenner I expect you to post a pic of you in a thong with I love Darryn written in lipstick on your chest!!

06-05-2004, 02:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
Darryn Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Glasgow Posts: 70	Panthro I must have missed something can't see any name attached to the bad rep. I probably need it in brail !

06-05-2004, 08:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
Benj Wire Till I Die Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 75	When people say Incline press would hit the upper pecs, i'd emagin they were refering to the the Pectoralis Major Clavicular Head not the Sternal. The link shows the two muscles http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/PectoralisClavicular.html Benj

07-05-2004, 07:34 AM	#26 (permalink)
Darryn Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Glasgow Posts: 70	BenJ, I see your point with different heads. However, the muscle still contracts as a whole. Try it yourself, even with bis that have 2 heads try to flex one without the other. There is only a slight difference in length of the heads by turning the wrist, both will still contract. The pecs have less variation in position and as this is the cse the force is spread evenly throughout. I want contest the fact that there is a minor degree of targeting caused by varied angles, but this is so minimal as to be generally un-noticable. The point I'm making here is that there is no need to hammer all angles in every training session as this would just be hitting the same muscle over and over. After this thread I'm considering swapping my flat bench to incline for a period of 6 weeks as an experiment. Once I take pics (hopefully this weekend) I can gauge progress. Taking into account the fact I'll still be on cycle and will be cutting may not be the best conditions for this, but at the least it would be worth investigating.

07-05-2004, 06:53 PM	#27 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	I agree with Darryn here. More now then before. I mean that makes alot of sense.:0 __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-05-2004, 08:44 PM	#28 (permalink)
Benj Wire Till I Die Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 75	I Understand what your saying mate and I have to agree with you I was just saying that the incline would put a greater workload on the upper, as aposed to say decline, I still agree that all the chest muscles will contract. Myself I do neither i've always done flat and Dumbell Flys! Benj

07-05-2004, 08:49 PM	#29 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	I do bench and inclines for chest. This is all I do and I do go heavy. Chest is probably my best body part. I only hit it once a week but I do hit it with intensity. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.