Aris Mesh

Hiya,

I am well confused about cardio. At the moment I do about 15minutes of cardio before I do weights, but I was reading in another thread that you should do cardio after you do you weights. However, if you do this, isn't it bad for you because you need to eat as soon as possible after doing weights? I know this question may be pretty obvious but I am confused because I hear so much different stuff.

Thanks!

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leeston

in theory it is best if you did cardio on a different day to the weights.

However, if you can only get to a gym or have a walk outside (come one dude!) 3 times per week then I would definately do it after the weights.

Why tire yourself out before the weights. Your goal = muscle. The weight loss will soon follow mate just stick at it.

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IMO best time to do cardio is first thing in the morn dude, as i think its the peak time where you can burn fat! have a lil bit of OJ(to stem cortisol and to start calorie burning not storing) and a few grams of amino acids, glutamine to stop/reduce muscle breakdown (atrophy) and maybe a lil cup of coffe (kick start fat burning) and have a good 25min jog, i think thats ideal, 2nd to that i would run for 20-25mins after a workout, you could always take BCAA and Glutamine if ya want befor the run to minimise atrophy

Well thats what I would do if i did cardio! LOL!! yeah im a fatty

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John

i have a q about cardio and i dont want to start a new thread just to as a quick q, so i hope you dont mind. ;)

I started doing some cardio about a week ago, my plan was to do 25 mins a day in the a.m., i have a stationary bike.
Heres the thing i set it to a moderate resistance and set off, but im finding that my legs are giving out around the 15 min mark, i am at this stage getting my pulse up to a good rate but im finding that i have to lower the resistance to get the last 10 mins.

My q is this, should i lower the resistance and get the whole 25 mins and just up the workrate a bit or should i continue in the vain i am in and keep the resistance a bit harder for the first 15 and then drop it a bit ?

Its just that i currently feel im getting more of a leg workout than a cardio w/o.

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Toregar

Cardio is always best as soon as you wake up, before eating anything. Your body is forced to tap into your fat reserves for energy, AS LONG as you keep the exercise aerobic. This means keeping your heart rate at a "fat burn" level ... This varies depending on age, for me being 22, it's around 120-130. If you push it more than that, the exercise becomes anaerobic, where you risk burning glucose for energy, thus muscle. Keep the duration to a minimum as well ...

There is controversy surrounding this, but I find a lot of research that supports it. It also works best for me ... I find if I do 20 minutes worth of cardio in the morning 3-4 times per week, I experience only fat loss.

Also what the great 1 stated. A bit of BCAA's and Glutamine before hand, would definately not hurt.

Toregar

John,
I would definately lower the resistance, and get the full 25 minutes out of it. If you're legs are hurting that bad, chances are you're tapping into glucose, which is a bad thing. In order to burn optimal fat, you need to keep the intensity at a minimum. This of course, if your goal is to burn fat.

A good way to test your intensity level, is to see if you're able to carry on a conversation with someone. If you're able to, but it's not exactly easy, you're probably about just right.

John

its just that ive been messing around with the resistance side of things, but i,ll drop it down a little and see how i get on, im also aware of the ( having the ability to converse and working rate being around 220 minus your age issues ), thanks for the input mate.

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hackskii

Yep massive controversy in this thread.
John in order to raise your lactic acid threshold you will have to burn the legs.
With this intensity it raises GH and testosterone levels, sure it taps into glucose burning but it also will build leg strength and also raise your pain tollerance.
This GH and test raising burns fat after you stop your cardio.

Think of this as HIIT type of routine.

Here is what I would do.
Warm up on the bike for like 5 minutes, then raise the resistance as high as you were or a tad bit higher, after like 8-10 minutes lower the restance and allow your legs to recouperate, once recouperated (few minutes), raise the resistance again and go again back to failure.
This type of training will do a few things besides raise your test and GH levels higher then the lower resistance training it will also work better for your cardiovascular system, raise your pain tollerance on the bike, strengthen your legs.

On chef's board they have a article on Tabada, this is crazy but great for cardio, very hard and can be done on a stationary bike but I gotta warn ya it is a brutal routeine where you go all out then pause then go all out and this gets repeted many times.

I know guys think about burning glucose vs fat burning, actually if you look at sprinters compared to long distance runners they both have the same amount of body fat. But the sprinters have much more lean muscle.

If you walk for a mile or ran for a mile, it is the same distance, but intensity will be diffrent. Lets say you sprinted for a mile (yah, I know you cant do that but hear me out), this would raise natural test levels and GH levels far higher than the other two.
Not only that but burn fat longer after you were done than the other two.

So the low resistance, high resistance, high intensity nobody can say this heartrate burns more fat than that heart rate as when it is all said and done fat cals can be burned after the exercise is over.
This is why lifting weights is so good for fat burning.

Honestly if I had my way, id get the cardio out of the way in the fastest way possible.

I honestly thing you can add some leg development too especially if you strap your feet in and take advantage of the 22% more power that the hamstring gives on the bike.
You can also spin faster if you want to vary it even more.
But I think the sprint, rest, sprint, rest is the best way on the bike.

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Aris Mesh

Great, I think I'm going to start going for a little jog in the mornings, starting from tomorrow. I'm desperate to lower my fat and start being a lean mean freakin machine!

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John

i used to do this run jog run jog thing, its called Fartlekking, i,ll give it a bash on the bike, cheers.

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hackskii

If you are desperate then diet is the key.
Diet yeilds the best success for weight loss, over drugs, cardio, hell drugs and cardio, diet over everything.

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