Bit of advice plz!!! - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

craigarro · 28-06-2006, 08:57 AM

Mornin everyone, right ive got quite a lot of questions to ask you guys and gals and there all topically different so if im posting in the wrong sec. then im sorry but......

ive been roaming around on the site for a few weeks now and sometimes finding it hard with the abbreviations and terminology so was wondering if anyone could shed some light also a few questions on form.
here goes;

1.i hear a lot of people refering to PCT what is it?
2.Also shut down i hear this quite a bit?
3.HD17 or i think thats what its called?
4.What is water retention exactly?

5.Need a good workout for my lats
6.Also a good workout for my back

last one,

7.Anyone know where i can find a muscle chart showing the names of the muscle groups?

sorry for the long rant everyone but if anyone could answer any of the above then cheerz!!!!!! ;)

invisiblekid · 28-06-2006, 09:21 AM

1. PCT - Post Cycle Theropy - so you don't lose your gains, your balls or grow tits - i believe.

5 & 6. Wide Gripe Pull ups, Full Deadlifts and bentover rows are what I would consider the core back movements. Lat Pulldowns / Vertical Traction machines will also work the lats.

Toregar · 28-06-2006, 02:20 PM

I've currently never done AAS. However, I've been doing loads of research, a lot of which comes from these boards. If I'm a bit wrong on something, correct me you veterans ;)

1. PCT = Post Cycle Therapy. The goal of it is to bring your test levels back up and restore proper HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis) function. HPTA is responsible for the development and regulation of a number of your body's systems ... One being the reproductive system ;). Don't forget about running some HCG, throughout. Bascially, the purpose of it is to return the body's endogenous hormonal balance to its original state.

2. Shutdown - Refers back up there to your HPTA. When you're "shutdown" your sex drive is non-existent bro. Your test levels are gone. You'll hear this a lot when there's talk of DECA. DECA is notorious for shutting down bodybuilders very very hard. If you're not careful, it will take you a long, long time to recover from it. Some people get shut down harder than others ...

3. I think you're referring to 17-HD ... It's a natural Test booster, such as Tribosome or Trib.

4. Water Retention - Occurs when you're holding on too much water. This is bad news bears for bodybuilders. Too much water will leave you looking smooth/bloated. Reduction in Sodium will help to alleviate this ...

5. Lats = Pull ups/Pull ups/Pull ups ... They are the end all be all lat exercise ... Depending on what kind of developement you're wanting out of them will dictate your grip. A wide grip will widen your lats ... A narrower grip will thicken them up.

6. Back workout = Deadlifts/Bent Over Rows/Pulls Ups/ ... Deadlifts are key to a big thick back. Look at Ronnie/Johnnie Jackson/Jay Cutler ... They all have very dense backs, That dense hanging look comes from deadlifts. Compare them to Melvin Anthony who doesn't do deadlifts ... True he has an extremely wide back, but the dense look just isn't there. Not to mention his 27 " waist, gives the even bigger illusion at the width of his back.

7. http://www.changingshape.com/exercise/musclecharts/
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk...le_diagram.htm

craigarro · 28-06-2006, 04:12 PM

Aww thats great Toregar really appreciate the advice pal!!!!! and thanks lily and invisiblekid much appreciated!!!!!!

Toregar · 28-06-2006, 08:41 PM

Aye, glad to be of service bro !

Peg · 28-06-2006, 10:08 PM

Here's a site for the muscles

muscles

Now if you want the site with the exercises and the muscles those excercises work, go to exercises and muscles

Captain Hero · 28-06-2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigarro

1.i hear a lot of people refering to PCT what is it?

Post cycle therapy mate, its for when you are about to finish a cycle and you want to get the boys downstairs in working order (I think maybe also for holding onto some of your cycle gains?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigarro

2.Also shut down i hear this quite a bit?

shutdown when your body isnt producing Test? Or not producing as much as it normally would?
3.HD17 or i think thats what its called?

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigarro

5.Need a good workout for my lats
6.Also a good workout for my back

need a good workout all over bro not just a few parts of your bod!

craigarro · 29-06-2006, 10:02 AM

yeah i know cap but my lats and chest seem especially week!!! and most of the exercises im doing dont concentrate my lats, my arms feel pumped before my lats even feel like theyve done anything, Some more good advice tho thanks alot everyone!!!!!

invisiblekid · 29-06-2006, 12:18 PM

Dont forget, back exercises do work the biceps as well, but if your arms feel weak before your back on back exercises you might want to look at your form.

I struggled to make my lats grow or even feel like they'd been worked. As Toregar said - pull ups are the key. Depends if you are strong enough to pull yourself up. Do you have a Pull Up Counter Weight Machine at your gym? Failing that, a Vertical Traction machine?

What does your back day look like craigarro?

craigarro · 29-06-2006, 04:04 PM

Do my back on a wednesday and consists of;

4x10 49kg hammer rows
2x10 18kg bent over rows on each side
2x10 & 1x8 35kg on pull downs

dont really know what else to throw in as im trying to improve weights on my pull down at the mo!!!!!!

BIG-UNC · 30-06-2006, 10:15 AM

this fella could tell you afew excersises for your back mate! :rolleye11 ;)

think he done a good few deads too !

craigarro · 30-06-2006, 10:18 PM

Whys he wearing a pair of ears on his back?????

BIG-UNC · 01-07-2006, 06:17 AM

28-06-2006, 08:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
craigarro Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29	Bit of advice plz!!! Mornin everyone, right ive got quite a lot of questions to ask you guys and gals and there all topically different so if im posting in the wrong sec. then im sorry but...... ive been roaming around on the site for a few weeks now and sometimes finding it hard with the abbreviations and terminology so was wondering if anyone could shed some light also a few questions on form. here goes; 1.i hear a lot of people refering to PCT what is it? 2.Also shut down i hear this quite a bit? 3.HD17 or i think thats what its called? 4.What is water retention exactly? 5.Need a good workout for my lats 6.Also a good workout for my back last one, 7.Anyone know where i can find a muscle chart showing the names of the muscle groups? sorry for the long rant everyone but if anyone could answer any of the above then cheerz!!!!!! ;)

28-06-2006, 09:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
invisiblekid Hitman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 1,536	1. PCT - Post Cycle Theropy - so you don't lose your gains, your balls or grow tits - i believe. 5 & 6. Wide Gripe Pull ups, Full Deadlifts and bentover rows are what I would consider the core back movements. Lat Pulldowns / Vertical Traction machines will also work the lats. __________________ Most bodybuilders are actually insane. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

28-06-2006, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Toregar Progressing Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 184	I've currently never done AAS. However, I've been doing loads of research, a lot of which comes from these boards. If I'm a bit wrong on something, correct me you veterans ;) 1. PCT = Post Cycle Therapy. The goal of it is to bring your test levels back up and restore proper HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis) function. HPTA is responsible for the development and regulation of a number of your body's systems ... One being the reproductive system ;). Don't forget about running some HCG, throughout. Bascially, the purpose of it is to return the body's endogenous hormonal balance to its original state. 2. Shutdown - Refers back up there to your HPTA. When you're "shutdown" your sex drive is non-existent bro. Your test levels are gone. You'll hear this a lot when there's talk of DECA. DECA is notorious for shutting down bodybuilders very very hard. If you're not careful, it will take you a long, long time to recover from it. Some people get shut down harder than others ... 3. I think you're referring to 17-HD ... It's a natural Test booster, such as Tribosome or Trib. 4. Water Retention - Occurs when you're holding on too much water. This is bad news bears for bodybuilders. Too much water will leave you looking smooth/bloated. Reduction in Sodium will help to alleviate this ... 5. Lats = Pull ups/Pull ups/Pull ups ... They are the end all be all lat exercise ... Depending on what kind of developement you're wanting out of them will dictate your grip. A wide grip will widen your lats ... A narrower grip will thicken them up. 6. Back workout = Deadlifts/Bent Over Rows/Pulls Ups/ ... Deadlifts are key to a big thick back. Look at Ronnie/Johnnie Jackson/Jay Cutler ... They all have very dense backs, That dense hanging look comes from deadlifts. Compare them to Melvin Anthony who doesn't do deadlifts ... True he has an extremely wide back, but the dense look just isn't there. Not to mention his 27 " waist, gives the even bigger illusion at the width of his back. 7. http://www.changingshape.com/exercise/musclecharts/ http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk...le_diagram.htm Last edited by Toregar; 28-06-2006 at 02:26 PM.

28-06-2006, 10:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
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29-06-2006, 12:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
invisiblekid Hitman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 1,536	Dont forget, back exercises do work the biceps as well, but if your arms feel weak before your back on back exercises you might want to look at your form. I struggled to make my lats grow or even feel like they'd been worked. As Toregar said - pull ups are the key. Depends if you are strong enough to pull yourself up. Do you have a Pull Up Counter Weight Machine at your gym? Failing that, a Vertical Traction machine? What does your back day look like craigarro? __________________ Most bodybuilders are actually insane. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

28-06-2006, 04:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
craigarro Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29	Aww thats great Toregar really appreciate the advice pal!!!!! and thanks lily and invisiblekid much appreciated!!!!!!

28-06-2006, 08:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Toregar Progressing Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 184	Aye, glad to be of service bro !

29-06-2006, 10:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
craigarro Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29	yeah i know cap but my lats and chest seem especially week!!! and most of the exercises im doing dont concentrate my lats, my arms feel pumped before my lats even feel like theyve done anything, Some more good advice tho thanks alot everyone!!!!!

29-06-2006, 04:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
craigarro Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29	Do my back on a wednesday and consists of; 4x10 49kg hammer rows 2x10 18kg bent over rows on each side 2x10 & 1x8 35kg on pull downs dont really know what else to throw in as im trying to improve weights on my pull down at the mo!!!!!!

30-06-2006, 10:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
craigarro Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29	Whys he wearing a pair of ears on his back?????

01-07-2006, 06:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
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