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Carter · 06-05-2006, 05:19 PM

Burn more cals than you consume = lose bodyfat!

Eat more cals & use progressive resistance = gain muscle!

Simple!

Well simple to me until i think about how to apply this!

But how quickly can you go from one to the other? It makes sense to cut in the summer for the beach, and gain through the winter whilst wearing woollie jumpers! But I stil want to get bigger for the summer! Can i cut one week and grow the next? Can I jus grow on training days, cutting inbetween with cario? Is each month more reasonable? Obviously cutting requires change in diet and some added CV, but do you change you weight sessions? Your muscles cant be in an anabolic state when cutting can they? If so then all your doing is maintaining, or reducing catabolic effect?

If anybody could clear these questions up for me and the science behind this???

Tatyana · 06-05-2006, 05:37 PM

If we follow natural rhythms, bulking in the summer and cutting in the winter makes more sense.

Food is more abundant in the summer (human pre-history), less abundant in the winter.

Some with the freaky genetics can diet and put on muscle mass, or it also happens with newbies if they take on a decent diet and train quite hard.

However, for most competitive BBing diet, probably most diets, all one is doing is maintaining the mass that was gained while stripping the fat.

As for swapping and chopping between building and cutting day by day, ermmmmmmmmmmm I would say NO off the top of my head.

It takes a calorie deficit of 3500kcal for one kg of body fat, and that is not going to happen in a day, unless you don't eat, but then you will lose lean tissue.

I would say bulking for another month, then dieting but remember that the healthy weight loss is only 1 kg a week, or approximately 1% bodyfat.

Respect

T

**hackskii** · 15-05-2006, 10:54 PM

That is 3500 calories to gain or lose 1 pound of weight.

Well, in the summer you will have higher testosterone levels, they dont know why this is but some suspect the sun stays out longer.
Sunlight can increase testosterone levels.

It is pretty rough to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, I do think it can be done, with gear and some other stuff I do feel it can be done.

Overfeeding is anabolic for around 14 days, then you tend to pick up more fat, the body is re-adjusting away from anabolism.
So, in theory you can bulk for 2 weeks then cut for 2 weeks and Bill Phillips had a great article on this called the Anabolic Burst Cycling Program.
I think it is on the net somewhere, good long read but lots of info.

Higher percentage body fat guys will lose body fat more when dieting than a guy that is leaner.

A guy that is leaner will gain more muscle and less fat than a guy that has higher % of bodyfat.

So depending on bodytype you can either cut then bulk or bulk then cut.
Depends on the bodytype really.

BIG-UNC · 17-05-2006, 01:46 PM

another spot on post and very imformative mate nice one

06-05-2006, 05:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Carter Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 37	Building/Cutting Burn more cals than you consume = lose bodyfat! Eat more cals & use progressive resistance = gain muscle! Simple! Well simple to me until i think about how to apply this! But how quickly can you go from one to the other? It makes sense to cut in the summer for the beach, and gain through the winter whilst wearing woollie jumpers! But I stil want to get bigger for the summer! Can i cut one week and grow the next? Can I jus grow on training days, cutting inbetween with cario? Is each month more reasonable? Obviously cutting requires change in diet and some added CV, but do you change you weight sessions? Your muscles cant be in an anabolic state when cutting can they? If so then all your doing is maintaining, or reducing catabolic effect? If anybody could clear these questions up for me and the science behind this???

15-05-2006, 10:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,956	That is 3500 calories to gain or lose 1 pound of weight. Well, in the summer you will have higher testosterone levels, they dont know why this is but some suspect the sun stays out longer. Sunlight can increase testosterone levels. It is pretty rough to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, I do think it can be done, with gear and some other stuff I do feel it can be done. Overfeeding is anabolic for around 14 days, then you tend to pick up more fat, the body is re-adjusting away from anabolism. So, in theory you can bulk for 2 weeks then cut for 2 weeks and Bill Phillips had a great article on this called the Anabolic Burst Cycling Program. I think it is on the net somewhere, good long read but lots of info. Higher percentage body fat guys will lose body fat more when dieting than a guy that is leaner. A guy that is leaner will gain more muscle and less fat than a guy that has higher % of bodyfat. So depending on bodytype you can either cut then bulk or bulk then cut. Depends on the bodytype really. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-05-2006, 01:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,945	another spot on post and very imformative mate nice one __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-05-2006, 05:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,456	If we follow natural rhythms, bulking in the summer and cutting in the winter makes more sense. Food is more abundant in the summer (human pre-history), less abundant in the winter. Some with the freaky genetics can diet and put on muscle mass, or it also happens with newbies if they take on a decent diet and train quite hard. However, for most competitive BBing diet, probably most diets, all one is doing is maintaining the mass that was gained while stripping the fat. As for swapping and chopping between building and cutting day by day, ermmmmmmmmmmm I would say NO off the top of my head. It takes a calorie deficit of 3500kcal for one kg of body fat, and that is not going to happen in a day, unless you don't eat, but then you will lose lean tissue. I would say bulking for another month, then dieting but remember that the healthy weight loss is only 1 kg a week, or approximately 1% bodyfat. Respect T