A guy in desperation needing help - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

moco · 14-03-2006, 04:24 PM

Hi everyone,

my name is rob and i live in west sussex, UK. im 21 about 5'10" and weigh 143 pounds.
As you can probly tell from that im not the biggest guy around, i barely have any muscle anywhere on my body.

I used to be a big fan of martial arts and have trained in the past for 5 years doing teakwondo and judo.

Thing is since i left school 4 years ago iv gone very downhill, i was never a big guy but was alot fitter back then.
At the moment im at the unfittest point iv been in my life.

so now iv decided that i need to make some changes.
i would like to get back into sports and with my background would love to get into mixed martial arts.
Thing is before i even think about getting back into this i really want to bulk up a fair bit and be a good build for my size.

Another thing is that im really out of the way here and the closest gym to me is 25 miles away and at the moment i dont have te transport.

Could any of you help me out with some advice or point me in the right direction of what i can do to bulk up as fast as possable baring in mind i cant use a gym.

im really looking for advice on what exercises i can do, what and when to eat, protien shakes maybe, basically wher the hell do i start. i really havnt got a clue about this and your forum seemed like the perfect place to get this advice.

Please bare in mind that im not aiming to be a body builder, some of the pics iv seem of you guys are mad, your huge!!Fairplay for doing that andputting the work in, its truly amazing what you can do to your body if you try.
but as i said im not aiming for that big.... i just wanna be a nice size so i wont be able to get thrown around in the ring.

many thanks for listening to me blabber on and thanks in advance for any help you can give a n00b like me.

also by the way im sorry if im overlooking threads that may answer this but im totally new to forums and am finding it all very daunting.

Moco

samurai69 · 14-03-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by moco

Hi everyone,

my name is rob and i live in west sussex, UK. im 21 about 5'10" and weigh 143 pounds.
As you can probly tell from that im not the biggest guy around, i barely have any muscle anywhere on my body.

I used to be a big fan of martial arts and have trained in the past for 5 years doing teakwondo and judo.

Thing is since i left school 4 years ago iv gone very downhill, i was never a big guy but was alot fitter back then.
At the moment im at the unfittest point iv been in my life.

so now iv decided that i need to make some changes.
i would like to get back into sports and with my background would love to get into mixed martial arts.
Thing is before i even think about getting back into this i really want to bulk up a fair bit and be a good build for my size.

Another thing is that im really out of the way here and the closest gym to me is 25 miles away and at the moment i dont have te transport.

Could any of you help me out with some advice or point me in the right direction of what i can do to bulk up as fast as possable baring in mind i cant use a gym.

im really looking for advice on what exercises i can do, what and when to eat, protien shakes maybe, basically wher the hell do i start. i really havnt got a clue about this and your forum seemed like the perfect place to get this advice.

Please bare in mind that im not aiming to be a body builder, some of the pics iv seem of you guys are mad, your huge!!Fairplay for doing that andputting the work in, its truly amazing what you can do to your body if you try.
but as i said im not aiming for that big.... i just wanna be a nice size so i wont be able to get thrown around in the ring.

many thanks for listening to me blabber on and thanks in advance for any help you can give a n00b like me.

also by the way im sorry if im overlooking threads that may answer this but im totally new to forums and am finding it all very daunting.

Moco

Do you have access to any equipment at all or a space wher you can do pullups or dips or anything

How much time can you spare to train (days per week and amount of time per session)

also to add weight you will need to be aware of your eating, so how does your diet look.

There are loads of free weight exercises, and some specific to MMAs

You could look at this clip http://www.systemauk.com/video/NEXE001.WMV it may give you some ideas of what you can do on your own or with a partner

:lift:

John · 14-03-2006, 04:53 PM

i think your going down the wrong road, you say you want to get a fair bit bigger so you dont get thrown around the ring. In my experience 16 years of various martial arts, you dont need to be big or have large muscles.

I know where your coming from on wanting a bit of size though, keep in mind however with more weight / mass , your gonna have to move up the weight catagories, you will become a pumped up whatever, as opposed to the guys who are natural at that weight. If however you will be fighting in graded competition this will not have to great an effect on your decision.

I think you would be best to work on things like press ups ( wide and narrow ), chin ups ( wide and narrow ), squats ( different foot positions ), Crunches for Ab work, some middle distance running for stamina and some sprint work for speed.

I know you say your pretty far from any gyms etc, but if you can afford them, im sure you could pick up a cheap bench and set of weights, barbell and dumbs or just dumbs on their own, which you could use to great effect in your training.

As far as diet goes, you just need to ead 5 or 6 well balanced meals a day or you could drop the carbs slightly and up the protein content to aid in building you up a bit. Certainly i would recommend a protein powder, some fish oils, perhaps some creatine, keep in mind though these are all supplements and are no where near as good for you as real food.

Hi and welcome to the site aswell, stick around youll get all the info you need.

**hackskii** · 14-03-2006, 04:56 PM

Those look really cool Samuri.

dynamatiz · 14-03-2006, 05:29 PM

awesome clip samurai

duck walks are so hard

just add a bit in here,welcome mate and if you are looking to go into mma 1st of all big respsct because its a hard sport,

like everyone has said earlier you ll not need to go out and be he biggest as he said they are all weighted divisions, but a think you need to be looking at body condition and body weight routines as your task will be graplling or striking with an oppnent not a barbell

look for some stuff by a guy called matt furey, he has a few books and tapes out that should help you out all body weight stuff if you cant get to a gym

also there is a lot of mma specific weights and free body weight routines by randy couture out there as well or any other descent grappler

sorry a dont know the names of the books or dvds in question but am sure if you do a search you will be able to come across them

this is just my opinion mate

moco · 14-03-2006, 06:20 PM

Many thanks to all of you for these very quick and helpful responces.

I know my eating habits need to be changed for a start, im only having 3 meals a day of which tbh im not even thinking (nor do i know) about whether its what i should be eating. I definately need to get more protein in my diet from what iv been reading. Thing is its also gonna be hard for me to eat as much as im needing to as im quite a skinny chap and have never eaten too much. i guess its just a case of stretching my stomach.

As for equipment at the moment i really dont have anything, all i have is 2 5kg freeweights which arnt going to get me anywhere are they lol.
I dont really have anywhere i can do chin-ups and tbh im not sure where i could put one if i got one.
Iv been looking around and iv seen i can get some freeweights farely cheap so i will definately get some asap.

Are their any sort of weights you guys think would be good for me to start on or what sort of workouts i should be doing with them??

i can easily spare a couple of hours a day to train.... maybe more on weekends. will this be suffice?

John i noticed you where mentioning to me about weight classes and how if i where to gain weight id be moving up classes but at the height i am now i am abnormally skinny... there really is nothing on me at all. I need to gain a fair few pounds before im at my ideal weight anyway and really need to gain some more strength along the way. Like this my striking power is very limited so i need to bulk up a bit before i get my confidence back (if you get what i mean).

I also saw you mention "as far as diet goes, you only need to eat 5 or 6 well balanced meals a day" but for me at the moment this really would be a big struggle as iv mentioned earlier in this post. Although i pressume if i start working out then my appetite will increase alot anyway.

Thanks for the video you posted samurai69, some very impressive training techniques there by the looks of it. Unfortunately i dont really have anybody i can train with... most of my friends are very lazy themselves and i cant picture any of them getting into this so at the moment looks like im gonna have to rely on myself.

As for my mma intentions they are going to be put on hold until iv become alot fitter than i am now and have a bit more strength to work with.
I will be moving to london in about just over a year and a halfs time and have been looking around and there seems to be a few places around that will help me train and find my way into the sport.
But as i said im trying not to focus to much on that at the moment... one step at a time.

once again many thanks for all you helpful responces, its great knowing that there are people who are willing to help someone they dont even know.

moco

EDIT: also i think i should add that for the past couple of years iv been smoking cannabis, I am very willing to stop this and im sure its no good for me. But even if i stop now do any of you think that its still going to affect me when i begin training?

John · 14-03-2006, 07:17 PM

John i noticed you where mentioning to me about weight classes and how if i where to gain weight id be moving up classes but at the height i am now i am abnormally skinny... there really is nothing on me at all. I need to gain a fair few pounds before im at my ideal weight anyway and really need to gain some more strength along the way. Like this my striking power is very limited so i need to bulk up a bit before i get my confidence back (if you get what i mean).

If you are as thin as you say you are, you will be able to put on without having to move up to bigger buys, as far as im aware not many ruling bodies run tournaments by height any more, this used to be how juniors and kids were run though.

I also saw you mention "as far as diet goes, you only need to eat 5 or 6 well balanced meals a day" but for me at the moment this really would be a big struggle as iv mentioned earlier in this post. Although i pressume if i start working out then my appetite will increase alot anyway.

This is where the use of supplements come in, if you feel you can only eat 3 meals per day , you could supplement this with 2 or 3 protein shakes or some kind of weight gainer, until you feel you can get more real food in. And yes when you train hard and more often, you will find you should become more hungry.

moco · 14-03-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by John

This is where the use of supplements come in, if you feel you can only eat 3 meals per day , you could supplement this with 2 or 3 protein shakes or some kind of weight gainer, until you feel you can get more real food in. And yes when you train hard and more often, you will find you should become more hungry.

Yes, i thought that this might be the best way to get around the meals.
What sort of suppliments should i be looking for for? simply Protein ones? As for food should i be looking at things like eggs, pasta, tuna, chicken etc?
From what im understanding food is a very big part of this, also im guessing the more water the better?

Also, taking into account that i cant get to a gym what sort of equipment should i be looking to get? im not rolling around in cash at the moment to im not looking to get anything too extravigant (by the looks of things the protien shake alones gonna cost me a fair bit over time). im just looking to get what i need to get me on my way to being a bit bigger/stronger.

many thanks

samurai69 · 14-03-2006, 10:47 PM

Buy a chinning bar...of any kind
and some dumbells...dont need a bench ...get a fitball
a bar bell if you can stretch to it

you can do pullups and dips between chairs
there are a wide variety of press-ups

there are plyometric exercises

height and weight will only be a concern if you want to compete...when we train MMa we put all shapes and sizes in (we train for SD, not competition)

In SD a small woman can generate enough power to knock out most guys, in the ring its a slightly different matter.

.

A pretty good routine can be made up of dips, pullups, push ups and a few other bodyweight exercises

A sand bag and/or a packed kitbag are excellent for building size and functional strength......and will help with MMa's too

John · 15-03-2006, 10:13 AM

Yes, i thought that this might be the best way to get around the meals.
What sort of suppliments should i be looking for for? simply Protein ones? As for food should i be looking at things like eggs, pasta, tuna, chicken etc?
From what im understanding food is a very big part of this, also im guessing the more water the better?

Good regular food is best, youve pretty much hit the nail on the head above, see you know more than you think you do, and yes plenty of water, just a protein powder and some fish oils and youll be set.

Also, taking into account that i cant get to a gym what sort of equipment should i be looking to get? im not rolling around in cash at the moment to im not looking to get anything too extravigant (by the looks of things the protien shake alones gonna cost me a fair bit over time). im just looking to get what i need to get me on my way to being a bit bigger/stronger.

As i said above mate you dont need to get to a gym for what your after, a bench or ball will be fine, some dumbs, you can pretty much get everything done with those.

Good luck and keep me posted

many thanks

damagedgoods · 15-03-2006, 01:23 PM

when you move to london check out - http://www.londonshootfighters.com these guys are meant to be a very good MMA school.

moco · 15-03-2006, 02:40 PM

Ok guys all that sounds great. Im sure i can go out and get most of the equipment you have mentioned for under £100 so thats perfect.

As for the amount of time i should spend training from what iv been reading should i be thinking about it for 2 hours a day, 3 days a week? from what iv gathered from reading the forum is that doing it any more than this could work against me? or is it different depending on how long you'v been doing it?

When it comes to the my routine, should i simply come up with a series of exercises.... then do as many of each exercise as i can, and once i have targets to beat do that 3 times a week? Or should concentrate on certain parts on one day and others the next?
sorry for all these questions, just seems that you'v got to do things exactly right to make sure you see results. I dont want to be doing it all wrong and end up buggering my body up more than it is now lol.

thanks for all you patience guys, i really do appreciate it.

moco

by the way that fight school link you posted DamagedGoods looks very interesting, il have to keep that in mind when i move down that way....seems exactly what il be looking for, so thanks for that.

samurai69 · 15-03-2006, 03:11 PM

" hours per day is probably far too long, i would aim for an hour per day maximum

Stick with big/ compound exercises
Bench press (on bench or fitball) or pullover and press from the floor (Chest)
Pull ups or bent row (Back)
Military press or Clean and press (Primarily shoulders)
Squats (Legs)
Bicep curls and skull crushers for arms (Biceps and Triceps respectively)

I would start with doing 3 sets of 8 to 10 of each exercise for 3 sessions per week

do this for at least 6 weeks increasing weight where necessary, last rep or two of each exercise should be really tough (done with good form)

After 6 weeks you can afford to change things round

For Abs, I would train every other day over a 2 week period....ab curls, twist curls, reverse curls do 3 sets of 20 or mix em up so you do about 60 to 100 reps in total

also plenty of stretching....you shopuld also start doing some bridge work (these are building up to the MMA's)

As for MMA schools in London .... it depends where abouts you go, nearer the time PM me and i can point you in the direction of 2 or 3 in most areas

To explain the reason for the 6 weeks training this way, here is a cut and paste i wrote for another forum

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Training Routine for a total beginner

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As a personal trainer (insert your comments here ), i see a lot of beginners to the gym being shown small isolation exercises and 10 to 15 rep sets, when what they really need is a balanced routine thats designed to start building strength not only in the big muscles, but in the proprioceptive muscles (the muscles used to balance) , tendons and ligaments. It also needs to be progressive, with a learning curve on intensity.

My wife started lifting weights about 6 months ago, when she started in the gym we stuck to one exercise per bodypart.

Chest - Barbell bench Press
Back - Lat Pulldowns (would change this to bent barbell rows now)
Shoulders - Dumbell shoulder Press
Legs - Squats (deep at least to parallell)
Arms - Dumbell extensions and dumbell Curls

These exercises were chosen so that there was a certain amount of proprioception needed.

We trained the same workout 2 times per week doing 2 sets of eight to 12 reps. When 12 reps was reached we increased weight until only 8 reps was manageable and worked up.

Approximately 4 weeks in to this we increased to 3 times per week and 3 sets, still continuing with the 8 -12 rep sysytem

Then after about 4 weeks again we changed the system slightly, by this time my wife was beginning to understand about intensity in her training, so we went to a split routine

We now train tuesday, thursday, saturday, tuesday, with an upper body, lower body workout, meaning that every 3rd workout has a longer rest period.

We have also included a second, isolation, exercise for the larger muscle groups.

The Important thing is the constant increase in intensity, either by increasing weight or reps

So since her training has started the weights have increased to the point that she is lifting, not only more than most of the women in the gym but more than what half of guys lift.

This In my mind is the ideal way to begin the training of a total beginner

Once training has continued for atleast 6 months the newbie would have built a muscle base, strengthened tendons and ligaments and have a working knowledge of lifting weights correctly.

Then the fun can begin, here we can go towards HIT, high volume, 5x5 etc etc. Depending on which are you want to progress into (powerlifting, bodybuildine, strongman, strenght sports, general health etc)

So Start slowly, build strength in the muscles tendons and ligaments, learn proper exercise technique, learn how to continually progress and raise the intensity level and from purely a training perspective you will see muscles and strength grow.

Of course to continue there are other things like Diet, proper nutrition and supplementation, rest etc, but thats another post

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Shoot Fighting®

Details courtesy of the International ShootFighting Association and Shooters Shootfighting Europe

The martial arts/sport of Shootfighting® is a recent creation. It had its genisis less than 25 years ago when a famous German wrestler taught the art of real wrestling or "shooting", to a group of top Japanese martial artist. The wrestling they learned bore only a superficial resemblance to today's professional wrestling. Two of these Japanese martial artist, Masami Soranaka, practitioner of karate,judo and sumo, and Yoshiaki Fujiwara, a muay thai kickboxing champion and judo expert, combined their knowledge of these diverse styles and created what has come to be known as UWF wrestling or the strong style. Official matches have been held for almost 10 years and the sport's popularity has grown till it is now the third most popular spectator sport in Japan behind baseball and sumo. There are currently three main organizations sanctioning matches and teaching the style. Of these the oldest and largest is the Fujiwara Gumi (family) run by founder and former champion Yoshiaki Fujiwara. The current world champion of the Fujiwara Gumi is Miami's Bart Vale, The first foreigner (American) to reach the highest levels of the sport. Vale who coined the term Shootfighting® to describe the style, combined the wrestling and muay thai techniques he learned in Japan with his experience in American karate and kickboxing to advance the sport further. He is presently attempting to promote regular matches in Florida and California.

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Originally Posted by moco

Ok guys all that sounds great. Im sure i can go out and get most of the equipment you have mentioned for under £100 so thats perfect.

As for the amount of time i should spend training from what iv been reading should i be thinking about it for 2 hours a day, 3 days a week? from what iv gathered from reading the forum is that doing it any more than this could work against me? or is it different depending on how long you'v been doing it?

When it comes to the my routine, should i simply come up with a series of exercises.... then do as many of each exercise as i can, and once i have targets to beat do that 3 times a week? Or should concentrate on certain parts on one day and others the next?
sorry for all these questions, just seems that you'v got to do things exactly right to make sure you see results. I dont want to be doing it all wrong and end up buggering my body up more than it is now lol.

thanks for all you patience guys, i really do appreciate it.

moco

by the way that fight school link you posted DamagedGoods looks very interesting, il have to keep that in mind when i move down that way....seems exactly what il be looking for, so thanks for that.

moco · 15-03-2006, 04:09 PM

ok thanks for that samurai... thats helped me alot. See if i didnt come on this forum i would have been doing everything completely wrong, im so glad that i did and everyones help and advice has been 1st class.

Im gonna order everything you mentioned and get started right away.
Il keep you all posted of my progress over the next 6 weeks and let you know how im getting on or if im having any problems.

once again thanks for your warm welcomes to the forum and help.

i shall mention you all in 10 years time when im the UFC welterweight champ lol...........just joking;)

moco

14-03-2006, 04:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
moco Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6	A guy in desperation needing help Hi everyone, my name is rob and i live in west sussex, UK. im 21 about 5'10" and weigh 143 pounds. As you can probly tell from that im not the biggest guy around, i barely have any muscle anywhere on my body. I used to be a big fan of martial arts and have trained in the past for 5 years doing teakwondo and judo. Thing is since i left school 4 years ago iv gone very downhill, i was never a big guy but was alot fitter back then. At the moment im at the unfittest point iv been in my life. so now iv decided that i need to make some changes. i would like to get back into sports and with my background would love to get into mixed martial arts. Thing is before i even think about getting back into this i really want to bulk up a fair bit and be a good build for my size. Another thing is that im really out of the way here and the closest gym to me is 25 miles away and at the moment i dont have te transport. Could any of you help me out with some advice or point me in the right direction of what i can do to bulk up as fast as possable baring in mind i cant use a gym. im really looking for advice on what exercises i can do, what and when to eat, protien shakes maybe, basically wher the hell do i start. i really havnt got a clue about this and your forum seemed like the perfect place to get this advice. Please bare in mind that im not aiming to be a body builder, some of the pics iv seem of you guys are mad, your huge!!Fairplay for doing that andputting the work in, its truly amazing what you can do to your body if you try. but as i said im not aiming for that big.... i just wanna be a nice size so i wont be able to get thrown around in the ring. many thanks for listening to me blabber on and thanks in advance for any help you can give a n00b like me. also by the way im sorry if im overlooking threads that may answer this but im totally new to forums and am finding it all very daunting. Moco Last edited by moco; 14-03-2006 at 04:29 PM.

14-03-2006, 04:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,245	mate to be honest i think your going down the wrong road, you say you want to get a fair bit bigger so you dont get thrown around the ring. In my experience 16 years of various martial arts, you dont need to be big or have large muscles. I know where your coming from on wanting a bit of size though, keep in mind however with more weight / mass , your gonna have to move up the weight catagories, you will become a pumped up whatever, as opposed to the guys who are natural at that weight. If however you will be fighting in graded competition this will not have to great an effect on your decision. I think you would be best to work on things like press ups ( wide and narrow ), chin ups ( wide and narrow ), squats ( different foot positions ), Crunches for Ab work, some middle distance running for stamina and some sprint work for speed. I know you say your pretty far from any gyms etc, but if you can afford them, im sure you could pick up a cheap bench and set of weights, barbell and dumbs or just dumbs on their own, which you could use to great effect in your training. As far as diet goes, you just need to ead 5 or 6 well balanced meals a day or you could drop the carbs slightly and up the protein content to aid in building you up a bit. Certainly i would recommend a protein powder, some fish oils, perhaps some creatine, keep in mind though these are all supplements and are no where near as good for you as real food. Hi and welcome to the site aswell, stick around youll get all the info you need. __________________ *“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”*

14-03-2006, 04:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
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14-03-2006, 05:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
dynamatiz work in progress Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NORTHEAST Posts: 329	awesome clip samurai duck walks are so hard just add a bit in here,welcome mate and if you are looking to go into mma 1st of all big respsct because its a hard sport, like everyone has said earlier you ll not need to go out and be he biggest as he said they are all weighted divisions, but a think you need to be looking at body condition and body weight routines as your task will be graplling or striking with an oppnent not a barbell look for some stuff by a guy called matt furey, he has a few books and tapes out that should help you out all body weight stuff if you cant get to a gym also there is a lot of mma specific weights and free body weight routines by randy couture out there as well or any other descent grappler sorry a dont know the names of the books or dvds in question but am sure if you do a search you will be able to come across them this is just my opinion mate Last edited by dynamatiz; 14-03-2006 at 05:41 PM.

14-03-2006, 06:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
moco Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6	Many thanks to all of you for these very quick and helpful responces. I know my eating habits need to be changed for a start, im only having 3 meals a day of which tbh im not even thinking (nor do i know) about whether its what i should be eating. I definately need to get more protein in my diet from what iv been reading. Thing is its also gonna be hard for me to eat as much as im needing to as im quite a skinny chap and have never eaten too much. i guess its just a case of stretching my stomach. As for equipment at the moment i really dont have anything, all i have is 2 5kg freeweights which arnt going to get me anywhere are they lol. I dont really have anywhere i can do chin-ups and tbh im not sure where i could put one if i got one. Iv been looking around and iv seen i can get some freeweights farely cheap so i will definately get some asap. Are their any sort of weights you guys think would be good for me to start on or what sort of workouts i should be doing with them?? i can easily spare a couple of hours a day to train.... maybe more on weekends. will this be suffice? John i noticed you where mentioning to me about weight classes and how if i where to gain weight id be moving up classes but at the height i am now i am abnormally skinny... there really is nothing on me at all. I need to gain a fair few pounds before im at my ideal weight anyway and really need to gain some more strength along the way. Like this my striking power is very limited so i need to bulk up a bit before i get my confidence back (if you get what i mean). I also saw you mention "as far as diet goes, you only need to eat 5 or 6 well balanced meals a day" but for me at the moment this really would be a big struggle as iv mentioned earlier in this post. Although i pressume if i start working out then my appetite will increase alot anyway. Thanks for the video you posted samurai69, some very impressive training techniques there by the looks of it. Unfortunately i dont really have anybody i can train with... most of my friends are very lazy themselves and i cant picture any of them getting into this so at the moment looks like im gonna have to rely on myself. As for my mma intentions they are going to be put on hold until iv become alot fitter than i am now and have a bit more strength to work with. I will be moving to london in about just over a year and a halfs time and have been looking around and there seems to be a few places around that will help me train and find my way into the sport. But as i said im trying not to focus to much on that at the moment... one step at a time. once again many thanks for all you helpful responces, its great knowing that there are people who are willing to help someone they dont even know. moco EDIT: also i think i should add that for the past couple of years iv been smoking cannabis, I am very willing to stop this and im sure its no good for me. But even if i stop now do any of you think that its still going to affect me when i begin training? Last edited by moco; 14-03-2006 at 06:24 PM.

14-03-2006, 07:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,245	mate John i noticed you where mentioning to me about weight classes and how if i where to gain weight id be moving up classes but at the height i am now i am abnormally skinny... there really is nothing on me at all. I need to gain a fair few pounds before im at my ideal weight anyway and really need to gain some more strength along the way. Like this my striking power is very limited so i need to bulk up a bit before i get my confidence back (if you get what i mean). If you are as thin as you say you are, you will be able to put on without having to move up to bigger buys, as far as im aware not many ruling bodies run tournaments by height any more, this used to be how juniors and kids were run though. I also saw you mention "as far as diet goes, you only need to eat 5 or 6 well balanced meals a day" but for me at the moment this really would be a big struggle as iv mentioned earlier in this post. Although i pressume if i start working out then my appetite will increase alot anyway. This is where the use of supplements come in, if you feel you can only eat 3 meals per day , you could supplement this with 2 or 3 protein shakes or some kind of weight gainer, until you feel you can get more real food in. And yes when you train hard and more often, you will find you should become more hungry. __________________ *“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”*

14-03-2006, 10:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
samurai69 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mid Portugal - by the sea Posts: 3,076	Buy a chinning bar...of any kind and some dumbells...dont need a bench ...get a fitball a bar bell if you can stretch to it you can do pullups and dips between chairs there are a wide variety of press-ups there are plyometric exercises height and weight will only be a concern if you want to compete...when we train MMa we put all shapes and sizes in (we train for SD, not competition) In SD a small woman can generate enough power to knock out most guys, in the ring its a slightly different matter. . A pretty good routine can be made up of dips, pullups, push ups and a few other bodyweight exercises A sand bag and/or a packed kitbag are excellent for building size and functional strength......and will help with MMa's too Last edited by samurai69; 14-03-2006 at 10:49 PM.

15-03-2006, 10:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,245	mate as i said at the start Yes, i thought that this might be the best way to get around the meals. What sort of suppliments should i be looking for for? simply Protein ones? As for food should i be looking at things like eggs, pasta, tuna, chicken etc? From what im understanding food is a very big part of this, also im guessing the more water the better? Good regular food is best, youve pretty much hit the nail on the head above, see you know more than you think you do, and yes plenty of water, just a protein powder and some fish oils and youll be set. Also, taking into account that i cant get to a gym what sort of equipment should i be looking to get? im not rolling around in cash at the moment to im not looking to get anything too extravigant (by the looks of things the protien shake alones gonna cost me a fair bit over time). im just looking to get what i need to get me on my way to being a bit bigger/stronger. As i said above mate you dont need to get to a gym for what your after, a bench or ball will be fine, some dumbs, you can pretty much get everything done with those. Good luck and keep me posted many thanks __________________ *“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”*

15-03-2006, 01:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
damagedgoods Looking Freaky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisbech Posts: 763	when you move to london check out - http://www.londonshootfighters.com these guys are meant to be a very good MMA school.

15-03-2006, 02:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
moco Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6	Ok guys all that sounds great. Im sure i can go out and get most of the equipment you have mentioned for under £100 so thats perfect. As for the amount of time i should spend training from what iv been reading should i be thinking about it for 2 hours a day, 3 days a week? from what iv gathered from reading the forum is that doing it any more than this could work against me? or is it different depending on how long you'v been doing it? When it comes to the my routine, should i simply come up with a series of exercises.... then do as many of each exercise as i can, and once i have targets to beat do that 3 times a week? Or should concentrate on certain parts on one day and others the next? sorry for all these questions, just seems that you'v got to do things exactly right to make sure you see results. I dont want to be doing it all wrong and end up buggering my body up more than it is now lol. thanks for all you patience guys, i really do appreciate it. moco by the way that fight school link you posted DamagedGoods looks very interesting, il have to keep that in mind when i move down that way....seems exactly what il be looking for, so thanks for that.

15-03-2006, 04:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
moco Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6	ok thanks for that samurai... thats helped me alot. See if i didnt come on this forum i would have been doing everything completely wrong, im so glad that i did and everyones help and advice has been 1st class. Im gonna order everything you mentioned and get started right away. Il keep you all posted of my progress over the next 6 weeks and let you know how im getting on or if im having any problems. once again thanks for your warm welcomes to the forum and help. i shall mention you all in 10 years time when im the UFC welterweight champ lol...........just joking;) moco