Tinytom

Sorry mate but I disagree with that. Low carb diets don't work because the person using them sees it as a fad diet to shift some excess weight. Then when they've lost the weight they 'treat' themselves and put it all back on again. They are not following a fad diet they are in the mentality of a quick fix. - same as someone who joins the gym in January and gives up after a few weeks cos they don't like hard work.

Diets are a way of life not a temporary measure, bbing show diets are of course extreme but the bber isn't trying to hold that condition for more than a week or so and is perfectly aware of the rebound.

When you are trying to lose weight long term then you make a decision to undertake a way of life - Myself I don't eat crap in the week and eat primarily chicken and rice, oats and maybe a spag bol in the evening. But it's all low saturated fat with additional fish and other unstaurated fats (don't worry hackskii I still have my requirement of saturates ).

I keep my carbs low (in comparison to other bbers) in the off season and only have 200-300g of carbs a day at the highest during the week. This keeps me lean in the off season but not lean enough that I'm shredded. In the summer I will drop my carbs by 100g a day in order to look a bit better

Now you may say that 300g is a high amount of carbs but actually for what I do energy-wise it's just about right. And there are others who eat a massive amount of carbs for the same workouts.

I've conditioned myself to low offseason carbs so that dieting is a doddle when I have to drop down to 100g a day in the diet phase. Diets are all about conditioning and if you really want the body you have to eat for it.

Ketosis diets do work but the intelligent people who utilise them will incorporate a high carb day once or twice a week in order to push up thyroid and leptin levels so as to prevent that recoil effect you talked about.

The recoil happens through high levels of lipoprotein lipase due to low carbs. as soon as you add in an extra 200g of carbs for a day you push them right down again.

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Pscarb

No they don't i am dieting on 50g of carbs on my low days and i feel fine...

FAD diets are a waste but to say low carb diets are a waste of time also is wrong i follow a Low carb(carb cycling) approach all year round with no recoil effects...

so i would say that for those who are wanting to lose weight going for a low carb approach is good but for the long haul and not just for the short term ...

besides this you did not mention the role of Essential Fatty Acids in the low carb approach it has been proven time and time again that for fatloss a hig protein moderate fats and low carb approach is more succesful than the typical low fat high carb approach preached by many in the old days...

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Each man has his own opinion. I am basing what I posted on science and the very light touch of nutrition that was in my course. In saying that, yes I completely agree and not sure why I didn't touch on this because that was half of my point - diets are a complete lifestyle change. They are about fixing up your nutrition for the rest of your life, not just for however long the cycle is. For the average joe, not a pro BB, they don't need "low carb diets" as all they are looking for is a healthy body and to feel and look good. If you haven't been eating many carbs for a few days you are definately going to feel drained and a lack of energy. For the average joe, I am against diets fullstop. It is better if they simply cut the cr@p and fix up their nutrition as a life long thing, not just for the above mentioned cycle.

As I said, each man is his own opinion. Yours is as much correct as mine is, depends on the person. This is what has worked for me so far so I decided to share it and add the science behind it.

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In defense of low carb diets you do not feel like crap. You actually have very stable blood sugars. There is no rollercoaster effect from insulin tanking your blood sugars leaving you with low energy. Low carb diets for me make my energy levels very stable. It takes about 3 days for you to not crave food, in this time you will be very hungry when the body turns form glucose to FFA and ketones for fuel. This is all normal but necessary to get into fat burning of body fat.

I wanted to lose about 25 to 30 lbs of bodyweight and primarily fat. I have lost 14 lbs and 4” on my waist so far in about 7 weeks. The 4" should tell you something about what is going on in regards to fat loss.
Remember this is approximately 49000 calories in fuel that has left my body so far.
How many hours of cardio do you think you would need to do in 7 weeks to burn that?
I will do the math for you?
At 700 calories an hour of cardio that would be 7000 hours of cardio.
Do you really think that cardio is the answer over diet?
Also you have to remember that when you are at a sprint you burn almost 100% glycogen and dont even target fat loss.

Once I hit my target weight I will have to up my macronutrients (carbs/proteins/fats) or I will still continue to lose weight.
I will not rebound I assure you, but when I hit my target weight I will show you in pics that I wont be lacking in muscle and look like my diet has gone bad in any ways shape of form, even for a 46 year old man. Pictures tell a thousand words and this will be my proof of what I have been preaching.
I drank beer for many years, abused my body with crap food and it took 9 years to get where I was overweight and not looking good.

A little correction on your numbers too, the body can store up to 400 grams of carbs in the muscle and 70 grams in the liver.

A little thing you need to remember about fats. Fats are the number one suppressing food for insulin. Contrary to what many people think about fat it does not store as fat. Insulin is the hormone that stores fat and without the influence of insulin in the diet it is actually hard to store fat. It takes either excess calories over and above or the presence of insulin to store fat.

Remember we are talking about dieting right here. Many people are sensitive to insulin and a low carb approach is sound thinking for those with hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance.

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Pscarb

you are 100% correct mate....

I place people on eating Plans rather than diets because diets give the impression it is for a short period....

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I use carb cycling and daily carb tapering when dieting too! Mind you after years and years of veggie/macrobiotic diet, I find the BB diet quite easy, I eat 'clean' most of the time and I have not had any 'recoil' yet, just enough chub to look more girlie curvy and have some breasts!

Low carb/carb cycling is NOT the same as the ketogenic thing!

Paul what carbs don't agree with you? I now think of things like tricolore pannini, peshwari naans, papadums and chicken and leek pasties as major cheat foods! (and I am going to eat them ALL this week, and some proper white PASTA). For some people this is their daily diet!

But wholegrains like brown rice?

Tatyana

[quote=hackskii].
Do you really think that cardio is the answer over diet? NO one on this forum has ever said diet only! It is always diet and cardio. You do not do cardio.

Pictures tell a thousand words You have seen my from first to second comp pics, you can see what kind of shape Tom, Paul and other BBers get into. AND MOST EAT RICE CAKES!


Many people are sensitive to insulin and a low carb approach is sound thinking for those with hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance.How do you know this? Most people do not know what a carb is! [/quote]

Has anyone else noticed that the newbie asking for the advice has disappeared?

I think we need to sort out some BASIC SENSIBLE DIETARY ADVICE that people can follow, NOT a bloody keto diet and NOT a competitive BBers diet!

Can we take the KISS principle, Keep It Simple Stupid!

I am a bit annoyed with all this. I am stopping myself from ranting, Scott I will have a moan at you later, PRiVately! :axe:

For most folk, being overweight is a combo of bad eating habits and emotional issues!

IT IS a PROCESS of learning how to eat properly and take care of yourself!

Let's not scare them off with all of our in'debating' and differing opinions.

hackskii

The post started out that he lost 100 lbs on a low carb diet.
Dont you think he knows what a carb is?

He is simply asking why he is not losing now.
That is it.
I answered his post and you didnt.
If he wants to do the keto diet then fine.
Why not ask somebody else like myself that is doing the same diet with success?
What is the problem with this?

Talk about KISS
Geez at least somebody is helping the poor guy.

There is no medical evidence to back up saying a keto diet is unhealthy.
If the guy wants to lose 25 lbs then fine take a couple of months and do keto.
Then all he has to do is slowly introduce some low GI carbs like fruits and or vegetables and he is done.

I am about two seconds from deleting all unrelevent posts.
Stay on topic.
Anyone want to debate keto or any other diet start your own thread.

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Jimmy

all diets work if done correctly

all you have to do is stick to them

ever heard of vo2 tes?

anyone who has will know that we all burn a variable ratio of fats/carbs

we need to know what we as individuals burn more efficiently in order to know what type of diet to follow

i understand that the human body doesnt need carbs but does need fat and protein

however i still like to keep my fats/carbs/proteins on an even keel when dieting

the 50/50 ratio of carbs and fats work well for me

i have tried P&C diets with little or zero fat and it made me feel like a pile of cr@p

i tried the oposite and fealt ok

if fats are high enough, and the right quality...one can diet without carbs and feel pretty good...no slin spikes at all...love it

however, i like to eat carbs too much, which is why i always go back to that good ol' 50/50 split

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Pscarb

i don't eat rice cakes....far to high insulin responce...

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all carbs i have found from many many years of errors that eating too many carbs will make me fat and bloaty in the off season this is my body makeup i guess so in the off season i stick to approx 300g max and i do fine..
when i compete i use carb cycling with a Low day of anything from 0-50g i must stress this is what works for me but 50g of carbs for others would be far to little..
the point i am trying to make is that we are all diffrent no one way works for everyone i have dieted and competed in approx 18 shows over the years and it was only when i realised that for me when dieting Carbs are the enemy...and therfore should be restricted...

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Let's get off the idea of diets fullstop. In my opinion (that magic phrase), someone who is looking to lose weight and isn't cutting down for a pro competition is better off fixing their nutrition up for the long term not just the short term. Diets tend to have the time asociated with them. If you simply say, a balanced eating plan, no strings attatched so it remains flexible is the best way someone is going to keep to healthy nutrition. If you tell them what they can and can't eat it will only deter them from sticking to the healthy nutrition. Unless he is after a strict diet with little place to go when it comes to what food he can and can't eat, unless that is the case he is better off with a general knowledge on what is good for him and what isn't. Eat what you like mate, just eat it in moderation. You will not end up eating the same plan for the rest of your life, so forget any plans just sort the good from the bad and eat when you feel you need to.

Scott, I tend to disagree with the no cardio thing, as good cardiovascular fitness increases your metabolism so you can digest food a lot faster so you don't store as much fat. Although, this is all my opinion so < see the smiley? It's alright!

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hackskii

Resistance training burns fat for 3 days after you lift.
Cardio 3 hours.

You can lose fat with diet alone without cardio.
Its easy and I did it.
Now to get past a plateau yah do cardio, it is healthy anyway.
Fat loss comes from diet not cardio.

If a person is on a diet probably the person struggled with food for what ever reason.
Doing cardio does nothing for this type of person.
All the cardio in the world will not burn off fat from a person that likes to eat.

Did you read that?
Fat loss is all diet.
Cardio is a good idea for health and to aid in fat loss but stands nothing anywhere near diet for this purpose.

Cardio is fine for the guy 3-5 lbs overweight and has a month to knock it with cardio.
But the guy that started the thread lost 100 lbs.
The risk of a guy 100 lbs overweight and doing cardio can do more harm than good. At this point diet is key and this is the answer, not cardio.
Tell a guy that is 100 lbs overweight that he has to do cardio and you will get punched.

I dont care if you or anyone else believes this.

Sure a good eating plan is best.
But do people get 100 lbs overweight by eating good.

This hyjacking on the thread has got to stop, myself included.

Low carb diets do work with or without cardio.

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AussieMarc

I agree with resistance training but cardio all depends on what you are training. If you are training for cardiovascular fitness you are doing split training or pharlap, in which case increases your metabolism as your heart pumps harder. A strong heart means a lower heart rate but a bigger pump volume. Oh did I mention it increases your metabolism?

Strength training - yes it is way better then cardio I agree in that sense.. More muscle = higher need for energy = calories are burnt faster by doing nothing. Very true, but it doesn't mean your cardiovascular fitness should be neglected as it does also increase your metabolism in it's own way.

Your heart is a muscle too, and the easiest way to train the heart is split training / pharlap training. Jog, sprint, jog, sprint, jog, sprint until you are absolutely nakked.

Never said cardio is better then resistance training, just proving a point that a lot of people neglect an important muscle in the body - the heart and the easiest way to train the heart is to get it to pump harder, the only way you are going to get it to pump harder is to get your heart rate up past that line where it is reaching it's optimum performance.

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