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Old 08-11-2005, 10:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm fat!

Hi guys,

First i gotta say that the info in this forum is amazing, I haven;t seen a forum as friendly as this in a long time.

I see alot of people on here struggle with bulking up but i have the other problem. I'm 6" and 15st of fat :(

Historically, I've had a lean build but the last two years I've really piled on the weight around my stomach and tits and I've had enough! I know I have the will power to suceed with a little direction so any help would be appreciated.

My goal is to be around 13/14st and defined, so I keep my frame but replace the flab with defined muscle. Should I be dieting and doing cardio before I think of weights or can I build muscle and strip fat at the same time?
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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hi m8, and welcome! you should first concentrare on your diet, as that alone can transform your body! can you post your current diet, then we can help you come up one for you and talk about training.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Agree with the Great 1, if you post your diet and typical training routine we can see where things need to be changed. :o
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i dont think this guy trains at all or has any type of diet, from reading his post he seems alot like i was when i first started, mate if you go onto the losing weight or diet part of the forum it will have examples of different daily diets, diet is the most important thing at the moment, im still dieting, i dor a 3 day split with the free weights and i do 3 days cardio (just running for 20 mins 2 days and swimming the other) i think you can still gain good muscle whilsrt dieting i deffinitly have, just stick solid to the diet is the main thing though bud im now just under 17stone with 20% bf not great but alot better than i was, my aim is to get to 17 1/2 stone naturaly with about 16% bf
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Old 09-11-2005, 05:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for your replies so far.

Deano is right, I'm just about to get back into training and am really concerned about keeping my insulin in check and getting rid of this huge belly.

I'm happy to run in the mornings, hit the gym for 2 hours a night and eat nothing but tuna if needs be - I want a movie star body and fast!

Should I be reading the stuff about "cutting" for my diet? Also, should i be taking supplements? - I'm happy to post progress pics regularly so you guys can see how your advice is working as I really am serious about getting myself in good shape.

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A couple of tips.

35 grams of fiber will burn 250 calories.

1 gallon of ice water burns 150 calories a day.

reducing or adding 500 calories a day will result in a 1 lb weight loss or gain in a week.

3500 cals = 1 lb of weight (loss or gain).

EFA's can rev up the bodies fat burning....I think I will post an article on this as soon as I type it up. (fish oils here are a good idea).

Keeping insulin in check is your first line of defense for fat loss.
Eating fat suppresses insulin.
Fiber slows down absorption and will help fight against raising blood sugar too high.
Adding protein to your diet is a good idea.
Apple pectin is a good fiber to eat with your meals to slow down absorption and this will also lower your LDL's and the fish oils will lower your triglycerides.

Add a fat, protein to each carb meal.

Eat 5 meals aday and first meal should be within 30 minutes apon awakening.

Drink alot of water.

Resistance training can burn fat for up to 3 days, cardio does not have this advantage. Resistance training will build lean muslce mass which requires more fuel and the more lean muscle you have the more fat you will burn.

If you are going to do cardio, do it first thing in the morning after drinking some water first. Caffeene will increase the fat burning in the morning and also tap into fat burning quicker as well as spare lean muscle mass.

As said above diet is the single most important thing when trying to lose body fat.

Fruits in the morning and vegetables in the afternoon.

Last meal dont eat any carbs but fats and proteins and give yourself a few hours before bed.
Dont eat before bed.

Dont skip meals, dont reduce your food intake too much or you will slow down your metabolism.

If you want to do cardio then lift your weights first then do cardio, you will slip into fat burning faster on the cardio.

Exercise suppresses appetite, helps for insulin resistance and gives you a feeling of well being, increases circulation, improves health.

Just some tid-bits.
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Old 09-11-2005, 08:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Wow, Thanks Scott!

So I saw this diet in another thread (I've shifted the times) which seems pretty much up the right street - what are MRP shakes and what level of activity should I be doing in the gym

*Assume loads of water being drunk

07:00 - Get up, drink water and run 40 mins @ 65 - 70%

07:40 - Porridge oats + 2 scoops protein powder

10:00 - MRP drink (?) and a bit of fruit

13:00 - chicken/turkey breast salad-Add olive oil to salad

15:00pm-MRP drink and carrots/celery to snack

17:30/18:00 - gym (should I just be lifting weights here? 1 or 2 hours?)

19:30/20:00 - Chicken breast and 50g brown rice or Mince meat and 50g Brown rice,add olive oil to the brown rice

21:00 - snack smoothie - milk, lowfat yoghurt, oats, change to 2 scoops protein powder and 2 tbsp of peanut butter

I think the timings might be out here though - anyone fancy giving me a hand? Ideally I want a bit more fibre and fish oils to regulate my insulin.

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07:40 - Porridge oats + 2 scoops protein powder
Add a good fat here like butter to the oats.

10:00 - MRP drink (?) and a bit of fruit= Meal Replacement Drink
I think they are crap myself but many guys use them. They have too much sugar (slow poision) in them.
Couple of fish oils here.

13:00 - chicken/turkey breast salad-Add olive oil to salad
good here

15:00pm-MRP drink and carrots/celery to snack
again, I dont like these and two a day is not as good as regular food. MRE's are kindof a lazy way of doing things.
More nutrition, more fiber, more EFA's, more minerals, more enzymes, more antioxidants, in regualar food, you get my point.
Add some fish oils here.

17:30/18:00 - gym (should I just be lifting weights here? 1 or 2 hours?)
one hour is enough.

19:30/20:00 - Chicken breast and 50g brown rice or Mince meat and 50g Brown rice,add olive oil to the brown rice
thats cool but I prefere a vegetable here for fiber and mineral content.
Fish oil or flax oil here.

21:00 - snack smoothie - milk, lowfat yoghurt, oats, change to 2 scoops protein powder and 2 tbsp of peanut butter
You are trying to lose weight, drop all the carbs in this meal (oats)
Use the fish oils instead of peanut butter.
(1) fish oil is equal to 1 gram of fat, take about, and dont drink the low fat, drink whole milk if you can find it organic even better still.
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Old 09-11-2005, 09:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Nice one, thanks again Scott - this may sound a really stupid question but how does the fish oil business work? Do I have to eat fish or can you take the oil like medicine?

Also, what do you suggest instead of the MRP? I wanna keep it as natural as possible.
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Fish oils are high in Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids.
EFA's or Essential Fatty Acids are essential for good health.

The benefits of omega-3s include reducing the risk of heart disease and stroke while helping to reduce symptoms of hypertension, depression, attention deficient disorder (ADD), joint pain and other rheumatoid problems, as well as certain skin ailments. Some research has even shown that omega-3s can boost the immune system and help protect us from an array of illnesses including Alzheimer's disease.

The ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6 for optimum health is between 1-1 and 1-4
The typical American diet is around 1-10 to 1-20
This inballance will result in poor health, inflamation, depression, fat gains, compromised immune system, bad lipid profiles, raised homocysteine levels, skin problems and a host of other negative things.

Omega 3's and Omega 6's (especially in the right ratios) will rev up your brown fat burning furnace and this alone will aid in fat loss.
Many prople feel that stuff like CLA, GLA will aid in fat loss, due to good eicosanoid support and manufacture.
Also EFA's support prostaglandins which is good for overall health.

Remember fat suppresses insulin and if you control insulin fat loss is possible.
If you were on a starvation diet and could not control insulin then you would not lose bodyfat.

This is why I suggest taking fish oils every meal at the sum of about 12 a day.

Some info on CLA:
In an article published in the Journal of Obesity, researchers at the department of public health at Uppsala University in Sweden performed a study to determine CLA effects on abdominal fat. This CLA study followed 25 obese men with BMI of 30 to 34, and between the ages of 39 to 64 for 4 weeks. Fourteen men received 4.2g per day of CLA and 10 men were the placebo group.

After 4 weeks, researchers found a significant decrease in the “Sagittal Abdominal Diameter” of the CLA group - in other words, the CLA group lost a good chunk of fat around the waist. The CLA group had an average loss in waist circumference of 1.4cm.

- International Journal of Obesity. Aug 2001

Where do you find this CLA?
Cheese and beef fat


Yes protein sources like Salmon are very good to supplement EFA's.

MRP's, I am not sure as I never eat them but the ones that you can eat are zone bars they are based on 40/30/30 approach to eating Carbs/proteins/fats
they only have about 220 cals and this is ok if you were to eat these between meals so your blood sugar does not fall too low.

Bottom line is fat is not going to make you fat.
I just finished a book (ironicly) called Eat Fat Lose Weight.....Good book.

Cut back on the carbs, up the protein and fats and you will be better off.
Remember keep the meals light, keep the meals frequent, keep the carbs low in the glycemic index and you are pretty much there.
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Okay,

I’ve put together a list of low GI foods from the net (I’ll attach it a bit later). Am I right in thinking that I should eat high protein, dietary fat and some low GI cards in my “main” meals?

Or should I only be eating carbs with a low glycemic load?

Also, can anyone recommend a good place for fish oils?
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High protein meaning eating somewhere in the range of one gram of protein for every lb of lean muscle mass?
That is about right.

Dietary fats?....Yes

Low GI carbs?...Absolutly and many of the low GI carbs will be high fiber which will make them low GI like Vegetables and some fruits.
Low GI fruits will include all berries, apples (granny smith are the lowest).

Carbs with a low glycemic load?....Sure.

The thoughts behind this once again is allowing the body not to spike blood sugars which in turn spike insulin which in turn kindof stores that meal or can potentially store that meal as fat.
If you dont spike blood sugars then you wont spike insulin. Some insulin is normal but too much is not good.

The human body wants blood glucose (blood sugar) maintained in a very narrow range. Insulin and glucagon are the hormones which make this happen.
Glucagon is kindof insulin's opposite.
Both come from the pancreas.
It is the production of insulin and glucagon by the pancreas which ultimately determines if a person has diabetes, hypoglycemia, or some other sugar problem.

This is why it is so important to eat right.
Low blood sugar is not good nor is high blood sugar, both will either make you tired or you will suffer in the long run with health issues.

Chromium is a good little mineral for keeping blood sugars in check.

But back on topic....Sorry
Keep the carbs low, keep them low GI if you can, eat your protein and fats, eat small meals, that have all the macros in them eg. proteins, fats, carbs.
Get fiber in your diet.
Drink lots of water.
Try and get some calcium and vitamin D in your body as this aids in lipolysis (Lipolysis is the breakdown of fat stored in fat cells), the water is good here too

Dont forget to do some sort of resistance training, wether it be squats in your home using your own bodyweight, pushups, anything, even walking.
Exercise is your friend here even sex wont hurt you
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Scott, you are the guru of diet

OK, here's my GI food list (tab separated text attached)

I'm gonna try the eating plan we've come up with here sticking to the 55's and under, but can you tell me what fish oil to buy and whether to take it in liquid or pills or what?

Also, I'll be running for 30-40mins each morning - should I go to the gym every night or just do 3-4 nights? Perhaps:

1. Chest
2. Back
3. Arms
4. Legs

Again, having looked in the getting started forum, I'm not too sure what I need to be focusing on to build some lean muscle that'll help me burn off this fat.
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