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**hackskii** · 30-08-2005, 03:22 AM

Well, I thought it would be a good idea to post what happened at the doctor’s office last Thursday.
I was kindof deeply depressed at the results of my blood tests and so much so that I felt like not posting on the board due to me having so much problems taking gear.
After all this is what brought me here in the first place and kindof kept me here (sort of).

Then I realized that there are awesome people here and some good friends (I don’t have to name you) so I thought to post my results and also at the same time say what the doctor did to me to help out.

Ok, I had the testosterone of a woman, 33 should be 217-1107 and the estrogen to match.
This is not surprising as I do take steroids but seem to stay shutdown longer and harder than most doing just a fraction of what others do.
This bothered me some but actually not a lot and felt that stopping the gear and doing some PCT protocol would be in order, until I understood what was happening.

But, my lipid profile was so bad it actually alarmed the doctor.
Seems my HDL (good cholesterol) was about the lowest the doctor has seen.
My LDL (bad cholesterol) could not be read because the triglycerides were so far out that it killed the test for the LDL’s
Anything greater than 400 MG/DL with the triglyceride levels invalidate the LDL results, mine was 619.
My HDL’s were 15 and the normal range is about 3 times that.
My HDL’s were too low to help out the LDL’s, read below:
HDL cholesterol are the packages that help move bad cholesterol from our blood, they clear our arteries (blood vessels) from LDL cholesterol.

So, my HDL was so low that it offered little help with the high LDL’s so the doctor suggested I take antioxidants to prevent the oxidation of the LDL’s to offer protection against their damaging effects of oxidation.
And here I thought all I had to do is take apple pectin and fish oils.

Well, to make matters worse, I had high homocysteine levels, which is the sticky substance in the blood, which is a precursor to heart disease.

Ferritin was high too and that has something to do with too much iron in the blood and which by the way is worse with low HDL levels to prevent inflammatory lesions.
Also maybe something to do with insulin resistance and to think I was taking those fish oils to aid in this problem.

Ok, to cut to the chase, the doctor was basically asking me what the heck I was doing to get those numbers.
To make matters worse I was taking cytomel (synthetic T3) and my thyroid was completely shutdown.

The problem here is the fact that hypothyroid (low thyroid) can raise cholesterol and low testosterone levels can raise cholesterol too.
I don’t think the doctor wanted me to wait this one out allowing my levels to come back risking further injury to me so he put me on HRT of bio-identical testosterone and progesterone also bio-identical.
He also gave me some T4 and bio-identical T3 as well.

He told me to trust him and if I follow exactly what he tells me I would be ok.
Oh, that is ok for a guy with normal test levels but mine were that of a woman and the estrogen to match.

Some guys can get away with big cycles, long cycles and a lot of abuse to the body but not this guy.
I will no longer do gear and feel reluctant to give advice on it.
Some guys smoke their whole lives and never have a problem with the lungs, and others can’t do it at all without the risk of heart disease or lung disease.
Nobody knows.

Here is a list of supplements the doctor gave me to help out my condition, and in three months time I will give blood again.
Lypo-Spheric: "Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C™ has been called "Vitamin C on steroids!" this is a antioxidant to help with the bad cholesterol being so high and the good so low

Vitamin D-3, suspect that everyone is deficient in this, from what I hear.

Vitamin E Vitamin E is known to protect cellular and sub cellular membranes.
A natural anti-oxidant too for the low HDL’s.

Lycopene, a natural antioxidant found in Tomatoes and again good for keeping those nasty LDL’s in check, not to mention prostate health.

N-Acetyl Cysteine A powerful antioxidant, a premier antitoxin and immune support substance, and is found naturally in foods. It is a precursor for glutathione, an important antioxidant that protects cells against oxidative stress. Again to help with the lipid profile.

lipoic acid: is a unique antioxidant, being both water- and fat-soluble. Lipoic acid has a sparing action on other antioxidants, including vitamins C and E, CoQ10, and glutathione.
Again, helpful against high LDL’s

Niacin Also known as vitamin B3, niacin has earned a reputation (in supplement form) as a natural cholesterol-lowering agent that often rivals prescription drugs in mild to moderate cases.

"Q10 Coenzyme Q 10 - CO Enzyme" is an important antioxidant found in high concentration in human heart and liver, kidney, spleen and pancreas tissue. Q10 Coenzyme Q 10 - CO Enzyme is a powerful antioxidant that protects the body from free radicals and helps preserve vitamin E, the major antioxidant of cell membranes and blood cholesterol.

Carnitine plays an essential role in transporting fatty acids into mitochondria, where they are oxidized to produce energy in tissues
According to recent findings, the amino acid, carnitine, may possess cholesterol-lowering benefits.

IP6 may support natural cell defense against damaging hydroxyl free radicals by chelating with reactive iron.
Probably that I have too much iron in my blood.

He also suggested I take B-12 and folic acid to help with the homocysteine too.

I also added Garlic to help lower cholesterol.

I was put on HRT
Bio-identical progesterone and bio-identical testosterone creams.
I have to put this on my skin (non hairy areas as not to convert to DHT) twice a day.
I have to say that I feel really good considering the scare I had big time.

If anyone has questions then please ask.

verve · 30-08-2005, 03:29 AM

Sorry to hear about that hack. Like you say about some smoking and being fine with it, and others not smoking at all etc. sometimes bad luck comes your way. I hope things will improve for you soon bud, try not to let it get you down.

**hackskii** · 30-08-2005, 03:36 AM

Well, actually I am more optomistic than before.
Not saying that gear was all that bad but I know the cost to benefit ratio for me, which was not good.

Look, everyone is diffrent and all are not the same.
What works for one might kill another.

I will just look harder in other directions to other answers.

As long as I have my health I have wealth.

This is a long term game and I plan on sticking around a bit longer.

I only posted for others to see and learn from (as I payed big money to learn the hard facts).

Trust me it is all good.

That progesterone the doctor prescribed for me is awesome for allergies, asthma, lowering insulin (my favorite), cardio vascular health, depression, etc.

I can post a readme on the benefits later, I am tired right now and need to eat.

Carnivore · 30-08-2005, 03:43 AM

well, you know my thoughts on this & i wish u the best of luck, i also hope you dont stop posting on steroids in the future as your advice based on your experiences (positive & negative) & general herbal & medical knowledge will always be an aid.

I guess you have good company with some of your problems as your brother has been there & coped with extreme shutdown.

dirtride · 30-08-2005, 03:45 AM

Sup brother.. I know you will pull out of this, and get your spirts back up.. I know it sucks but you are a very smart guy, and do time will be ok.

Shawn

JSM · 30-08-2005, 04:06 AM

I am with these guys hackskii. I am fairly new to the board but you have helped me already emencly. I hope you continue to post on gear and other things of the workout nature. I know there are plenty of newbies who have questions about working out and gear that need answers so they have the best chance of doing things the right way. People like you with the knowledge you have help the clueless from making costly mistakes

Captain Hero · 30-08-2005, 06:56 AM

sorry to hear about that scott mate but at least you are positive about everything, take it easy man.

Ultimate Buzz · 30-08-2005, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap

sorry to hear about that scott mate but at least you are positive about everything, take it easy man.

as above, take it easy bud

John · 30-08-2005, 08:04 AM

but you need to stick around, too much info not to share it, and anyway if you go who will keep wingy in check, and we cant ask him about your balls no can we;) .

JohnO · 30-08-2005, 08:35 AM

Very pleased you are getting good advise and look like you will sort it out with the docs help.

When are you back to see him again and will you be able to give some updates etc. has he given you a time frame to work in? Is he suggesting full recovery?

Great post from an info point of view hackskii and a good illustration on why blood work etc is so imortant.

samurai69 · 30-08-2005, 08:45 AM

Sorry to hear that mate, hope the supps all help out, keep us posted and please keep posting as all the info ihave received has been of great help

DB · 30-08-2005, 08:53 AM

sorry to hear that bigman...as i said in the pm

keep us posted mate

the_gre8t_1ne · 30-08-2005, 09:19 AM

Sorry to hear that dude! but i hope you still keep posting advice on steroids, as im sure that evryone agree's that advice based on your experiences will always be crucial, as you gotta see both sides of the coin!

Kel · 30-08-2005, 09:29 AM

Sorry to hear that mate. Stay positive everything will work out fine

Magic Torch · 30-08-2005, 09:36 AM

Thank you for posting that Hack's, it couldn't have been easy. I think it is important that you did, there are a lot of posts on roids the benifits and how good they are, and people always say you should think long and hard before you take them - but no one ever posts up there bad effects - except for it gave me spots!

Good luck with your new challenge, keep on posting we learn loads from your exp.

J

30-08-2005, 03:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,164	Bad news for me from steroids. Well, I thought it would be a good idea to post what happened at the doctor’s office last Thursday. I was kindof deeply depressed at the results of my blood tests and so much so that I felt like not posting on the board due to me having so much problems taking gear. After all this is what brought me here in the first place and kindof kept me here (sort of). Then I realized that there are awesome people here and some good friends (I don’t have to name you) so I thought to post my results and also at the same time say what the doctor did to me to help out. Ok, I had the testosterone of a woman, 33 should be 217-1107 and the estrogen to match. This is not surprising as I do take steroids but seem to stay shutdown longer and harder than most doing just a fraction of what others do. This bothered me some but actually not a lot and felt that stopping the gear and doing some PCT protocol would be in order, until I understood what was happening. But, my lipid profile was so bad it actually alarmed the doctor. Seems my HDL (good cholesterol) was about the lowest the doctor has seen. My LDL (bad cholesterol) could not be read because the triglycerides were so far out that it killed the test for the LDL’s Anything greater than 400 MG/DL with the triglyceride levels invalidate the LDL results, mine was 619. My HDL’s were 15 and the normal range is about 3 times that. My HDL’s were too low to help out the LDL’s, read below: HDL cholesterol are the packages that help move bad cholesterol from our blood, they clear our arteries (blood vessels) from LDL cholesterol. So, my HDL was so low that it offered little help with the high LDL’s so the doctor suggested I take antioxidants to prevent the oxidation of the LDL’s to offer protection against their damaging effects of oxidation. And here I thought all I had to do is take apple pectin and fish oils. Well, to make matters worse, I had high homocysteine levels, which is the sticky substance in the blood, which is a precursor to heart disease. Ferritin was high too and that has something to do with too much iron in the blood and which by the way is worse with low HDL levels to prevent inflammatory lesions. Also maybe something to do with insulin resistance and to think I was taking those fish oils to aid in this problem. Ok, to cut to the chase, the doctor was basically asking me what the heck I was doing to get those numbers. To make matters worse I was taking cytomel (synthetic T3) and my thyroid was completely shutdown. The problem here is the fact that hypothyroid (low thyroid) can raise cholesterol and low testosterone levels can raise cholesterol too. I don’t think the doctor wanted me to wait this one out allowing my levels to come back risking further injury to me so he put me on HRT of bio-identical testosterone and progesterone also bio-identical. He also gave me some T4 and bio-identical T3 as well. He told me to trust him and if I follow exactly what he tells me I would be ok. Oh, that is ok for a guy with normal test levels but mine were that of a woman and the estrogen to match. Some guys can get away with big cycles, long cycles and a lot of abuse to the body but not this guy. I will no longer do gear and feel reluctant to give advice on it. Some guys smoke their whole lives and never have a problem with the lungs, and others can’t do it at all without the risk of heart disease or lung disease. Nobody knows. Here is a list of supplements the doctor gave me to help out my condition, and in three months time I will give blood again. Lypo-Spheric: "Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C™ has been called "Vitamin C on steroids!" this is a antioxidant to help with the bad cholesterol being so high and the good so low Vitamin D-3, suspect that everyone is deficient in this, from what I hear. Vitamin E Vitamin E is known to protect cellular and sub cellular membranes. A natural anti-oxidant too for the low HDL’s. Lycopene, a natural antioxidant found in Tomatoes and again good for keeping those nasty LDL’s in check, not to mention prostate health. N-Acetyl Cysteine A powerful antioxidant, a premier antitoxin and immune support substance, and is found naturally in foods. It is a precursor for glutathione, an important antioxidant that protects cells against oxidative stress. Again to help with the lipid profile. lipoic acid: is a unique antioxidant, being both water- and fat-soluble. Lipoic acid has a sparing action on other antioxidants, including vitamins C and E, CoQ10, and glutathione. Again, helpful against high LDL’s Niacin Also known as vitamin B3, niacin has earned a reputation (in supplement form) as a natural cholesterol-lowering agent that often rivals prescription drugs in mild to moderate cases. "Q10 Coenzyme Q 10 - CO Enzyme" is an important antioxidant found in high concentration in human heart and liver, kidney, spleen and pancreas tissue. Q10 Coenzyme Q 10 - CO Enzyme is a powerful antioxidant that protects the body from free radicals and helps preserve vitamin E, the major antioxidant of cell membranes and blood cholesterol. Carnitine plays an essential role in transporting fatty acids into mitochondria, where they are oxidized to produce energy in tissues According to recent findings, the amino acid, carnitine, may possess cholesterol-lowering benefits. IP6 may support natural cell defense against damaging hydroxyl free radicals by chelating with reactive iron. Probably that I have too much iron in my blood. He also suggested I take B-12 and folic acid to help with the homocysteine too. I also added Garlic to help lower cholesterol. I was put on HRT Bio-identical progesterone and bio-identical testosterone creams. I have to put this on my skin (non hairy areas as not to convert to DHT) twice a day. I have to say that I feel really good considering the scare I had big time. If anyone has questions then please ask. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-08-2005, 03:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
verve 666 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At work, probably. Posts: 674	Sorry to hear about that hack. Like you say about some smoking and being fine with it, and others not smoking at all etc. sometimes bad luck comes your way. I hope things will improve for you soon bud, try not to let it get you down. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-08-2005, 03:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,164	Well, actually I am more optomistic than before. Not saying that gear was all that bad but I know the cost to benefit ratio for me, which was not good. Look, everyone is diffrent and all are not the same. What works for one might kill another. I will just look harder in other directions to other answers. As long as I have my health I have wealth. This is a long term game and I plan on sticking around a bit longer. I only posted for others to see and learn from (as I payed big money to learn the hard facts). Trust me it is all good. That progesterone the doctor prescribed for me is awesome for allergies, asthma, lowering insulin (my favorite), cardio vascular health, depression, etc. I can post a readme on the benefits later, I am tired right now and need to eat. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-08-2005, 03:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
Carnivore Somewhere between depressed and suicidal Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: location, location Posts: 1,077	well, you know my thoughts on this & i wish u the best of luck, i also hope you dont stop posting on steroids in the future as your advice based on your experiences (positive & negative) & general herbal & medical knowledge will always be an aid. I guess you have good company with some of your problems as your brother has been there & coped with extreme shutdown. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-08-2005, 06:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
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30-08-2005, 03:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
dirtride Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Eastern, USA Posts: 231	Sup brother.. I know you will pull out of this, and get your spirts back up.. I know it sucks but you are a very smart guy, and do time will be ok. Shawn

30-08-2005, 04:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
JSM Gym Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 125	I am with these guys hackskii. I am fairly new to the board but you have helped me already emencly. I hope you continue to post on gear and other things of the workout nature. I know there are plenty of newbies who have questions about working out and gear that need answers so they have the best chance of doing things the right way. People like you with the knowledge you have help the clueless from making costly mistakes

30-08-2005, 08:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,245	sorry to read this hacks but you need to stick around, too much info not to share it, and anyway if you go who will keep wingy in check, and we cant ask him about your balls no can we;) . __________________ *“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”*

30-08-2005, 08:35 AM	#10 (permalink)
JohnO Looking Freaky Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 601	Very pleased you are getting good advise and look like you will sort it out with the docs help. When are you back to see him again and will you be able to give some updates etc. has he given you a time frame to work in? Is he suggesting full recovery? Great post from an info point of view hackskii and a good illustration on why blood work etc is so imortant.

30-08-2005, 08:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
samurai69 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mid Portugal - by the sea Posts: 3,076	Sorry to hear that mate, hope the supps all help out, keep us posted and please keep posting as all the info ihave received has been of great help

30-08-2005, 08:53 AM	#12 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,223	sorry to hear that bigman...as i said in the pm keep us posted mate __________________ DB To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. often imitated never duplicated To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. DB sleeps with a night light. Not because DB is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of DB. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-08-2005, 09:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
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30-08-2005, 09:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
Kel Miss UK-Muscle Siren Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East Posts: 1,086	Sorry to hear that mate. Stay positive everything will work out fine __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. KEL Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all!

30-08-2005, 09:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
Magic Torch UK-M Swimsuit model Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 5,062 Blog Entries: 5	Thank you for posting that Hack's, it couldn't have been easy. I think it is important that you did, there are a lot of posts on roids the benifits and how good they are, and people always say you should think long and hard before you take them - but no one ever posts up there bad effects - except for it gave me spots! Good luck with your new challenge, keep on posting we learn loads from your exp. J __________________ intentionally blank

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