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Moray Muscle · 24-05-2005, 08:59 AM

Been getting theis weird pain in shoulder this past couple of weeks, where the collar bone connects to the shoulder,if i hang arm down get real sharp pain, weird thing is dont feel pain when training, any ideas?:gun:

SportDr · 24-05-2005, 11:48 AM

SHoulder impingement syndrome and it is a real bitch I am afraid but very common in BBers!

The reason: We are all doing exercises that put the shoulder joint (gleno-humeral) at a massive risk of injury and sooner or later we will all suffer the consequences.

Here are the exercises that cause it, I am betting you have done all of them at some point, as have I.

Chest Press
Upright Row
LAteral Raises
Pulldown behind the neck
Military press behind the neck or with dumbells either side of the head.

THe only way you are gonna get better is rest and a modification of the above exercises.

Chest press: do not take elbows below mid line of body ( you are a big fella so I doubt you can anyway as your chest size will prevent it.

Upright row: Use dumbells, keep the arms at right angles and row upwards.

Lateral Raises: Keep elbows at right angles and raise elbows (kinda like a chicken flapping its wings)

Pulldown behind the neck: DONT. Pull it in front that is what the machine was designed for.

Military press behind the neck: DONT. LEan the bench back one increment (on mine it is number 7) so that you are pushing slightly in front of you.

THe biomechanical reasons for these are complex and I gotta get back to my Dissertation! But basically think how evolution designed your shoulder, as a caveman you never reached directly up and behind you for anything, your shoulder is much better supported when you reach or push to the front.

Have a rest, then modify the exercises to prevent re-injury, shoulder imingement is degenerative and eventually requires surgery.

HTH

SD

Bigdav · 24-05-2005, 12:42 PM

Heres something which may or may help. give it a good read it helped with my shoulder pain, find some specific strengthening exercises, theyre the bomb for sorting it

http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/fongemie.html

crazycacti · 24-05-2005, 02:48 PM

not saying ur one of them (from ur pics - back view - it looks like u aren't) but many ppl put too much emphasis on the anterior deltoid and not enough on the posterior causing an imbalance = injury.

similar to weak abs + strong back (or visa versa) can = a bad lower back

Lee · 24-05-2005, 03:44 PM

mate i had this a while back, i ignored the pain and ended up with a clicking/crunching noise every time i moved my shoulder.

a cortisone injection (from the Doctor) and 6 months rest resolved it for me.

but to be honest it was a blessing for me as i just did 6 months worth of cardio

im back training now with id say 90% power back

Moray Muscle · 25-05-2005, 07:45 AM

couldnt stop training would die, must be a way i can keep training and not **** up the shoulder, do i bin bench for a while? would flyes damage it?, stop the laterals for a while?????. i do my shoulder press to front with bench and slight incline,always have, i was wondering if u think incline bench press could have caused it?????????

SportDr · 25-05-2005, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Moray Muscle

couldnt stop training would die, must be a way i can keep training and not **** up the shoulder, do i bin bench for a while? would flyes damage it?, stop the laterals for a while?????. i do my shoulder press to front with bench and slight incline,always have, i was wondering if u think incline bench press could have caused it?????????

Lol I know how you feel Moray, you can still train legs! But in reality I know you wanna get back on that bench.

Incline bench is same as flat bench, don't let your elbows dip below your body line (the point at which most peoples shoulder screams).

Modify the exercises as I posted earlier and if it hurts dont do it!

It takes a while for this to settle down mate, my sympathies as I know from experience how frustrating it can be, the beauty of the modified exercises is that you can up your weights to compensate for shorter levers etc

FLyes are V Bad also (knew there was one or two I left out!) for the same reason as the press. Just keep arms at right angles and pulse with a heavier weight, dont stretch those arms out and dont allow elbows to dip below body, this WILL feel wierd to you if you are used to deep flyes

If your shoulder aches during the day ok, if it aches at night it is becoming a tendonopathy and you need to see your GP.

Take care mate

SD

Moray Muscle · 26-05-2005, 08:14 AM

trained back last night, 3 heavy barbell shrugs, 3 heavy bent over rows and 2 dumbell rows, no pain what so ever, today pain seems to be easing off, will ice pack it tonight see how it goes, not training shoulders or chest for a couple of weeks see if it eases off any, go to gp u will know what they will say ohhhh weights are bad for you stop training, **** that

SportDr · 26-05-2005, 01:15 PM

Lol, glad you are feeling better mate.

Take it easy

SD

24-05-2005, 08:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
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24-05-2005, 11:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,719	SHoulder impingement syndrome and it is a real bitch I am afraid but very common in BBers! The reason: We are all doing exercises that put the shoulder joint (gleno-humeral) at a massive risk of injury and sooner or later we will all suffer the consequences. Here are the exercises that cause it, I am betting you have done all of them at some point, as have I. Chest Press Upright Row LAteral Raises Pulldown behind the neck Military press behind the neck or with dumbells either side of the head. THe only way you are gonna get better is rest and a modification of the above exercises. Chest press: do not take elbows below mid line of body ( you are a big fella so I doubt you can anyway as your chest size will prevent it. Upright row: Use dumbells, keep the arms at right angles and row upwards. Lateral Raises: Keep elbows at right angles and raise elbows (kinda like a chicken flapping its wings) Pulldown behind the neck: DONT. Pull it in front that is what the machine was designed for. Military press behind the neck: DONT. LEan the bench back one increment (on mine it is number 7) so that you are pushing slightly in front of you. THe biomechanical reasons for these are complex and I gotta get back to my Dissertation! But basically think how evolution designed your shoulder, as a caveman you never reached directly up and behind you for anything, your shoulder is much better supported when you reach or push to the front. Have a rest, then modify the exercises to prevent re-injury, shoulder imingement is degenerative and eventually requires surgery. HTH SD __________________ I don't like Sports and I am not a Doctor! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. You expressed and challenged yourself, startled the dozing muscles and welcomed the sweet pain of gain. Boredom begets mediocrity. Enemies both, they deserve swift eradication. Let's hit the weights and build some muscle. Race ya to the bench press. Dave Draper A goal casually set and lightly taken will be freely abandoned at the first obstacle. Zig Ziglar Any advice given is for information only, always seek the advice of your medical practitioner. Use this My Protein refferer code and get a 5% DISCOUNT on your first order! MP2819

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25-05-2005, 07:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
Moray Muscle Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 195	couldnt stop training would die, must be a way i can keep training and not **** up the shoulder, do i bin bench for a while? would flyes damage it?, stop the laterals for a while?????. i do my shoulder press to front with bench and slight incline,always have, i was wondering if u think incline bench press could have caused it????????? __________________ EAT!!! - You have to... or the other guy will always be bigger. I eat, I train, I shag, I sleep To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

26-05-2005, 08:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Moray Muscle Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 195	trained back last night, 3 heavy barbell shrugs, 3 heavy bent over rows and 2 dumbell rows, no pain what so ever, today pain seems to be easing off, will ice pack it tonight see how it goes, not training shoulders or chest for a couple of weeks see if it eases off any, go to gp u will know what they will say ohhhh weights are bad for you stop training, **** that __________________ EAT!!! - You have to... or the other guy will always be bigger. I eat, I train, I shag, I sleep To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

24-05-2005, 12:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bigdav Move along, nothing to see here Join Date: May 2005 Location: Aberdooom Posts: 615	Heres something which may or may help. give it a good read it helped with my shoulder pain, find some specific strengthening exercises, theyre the bomb for sorting it http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/fongemie.html

24-05-2005, 03:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lee Made in Liverpool Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,046	mate i had this a while back, i ignored the pain and ended up with a clicking/crunching noise every time i moved my shoulder. a cortisone injection (from the Doctor) and 6 months rest resolved it for me. but to be honest it was a blessing for me as i just did 6 months worth of cardio im back training now with id say 90% power back

26-05-2005, 01:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,719	Lol, glad you are feeling better mate. Take it easy SD __________________ I don't like Sports and I am not a Doctor! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. You expressed and challenged yourself, startled the dozing muscles and welcomed the sweet pain of gain. Boredom begets mediocrity. Enemies both, they deserve swift eradication. Let's hit the weights and build some muscle. Race ya to the bench press. Dave Draper A goal casually set and lightly taken will be freely abandoned at the first obstacle. Zig Ziglar Any advice given is for information only, always seek the advice of your medical practitioner. Use this My Protein refferer code and get a 5% DISCOUNT on your first order! MP2819

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