albie

Read on the teletext the other day the the minister for education or some other government muppet had suggested that pupils be allowed to sit in on teacher interview panels.

Initially it did make me wonder where these tossers come from , but then i got to thinking how much more i would have enjoyed school if all the teachers had been selected on the basis that they were as pleasing to the eye and mind as say BabyYoYo , as this would have been my selection criteria.....

Now a little older than school age , parents evening would be....different.

Lost Soul

Respect and suitablity comes when the teacher is in place, not on the judgement of a child in an interview and popularity doesnt determine the effectiveness of a teacher

Some of the best teachers i had i hated, some of the sh1t ones i still socialise with years later

Who would get the job?

Children are swayed by emotion rather than logic and can rarely think objectively in these scenarios

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albie

Agree , i feel there is a need to get back to a situation where teachers are allowed to control the classes they teach - not to encourage pupils into believing they have a right to decide on everything or anything that occurs in school.

Met my old physics teacher in Town a few month ago ,hates the job now,not allowed to control the class,pupils show no respect.

I believe the minister was told where to go when the idea of pupils on panels was mentioned.

nathanlowe

What a predjudice topic.

Im a member of my schools council and interviewed deputy head teachers and fed back to the headteacher and govs.
Its a good idea actually.

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Lost Soul

Its not

Have children universally got the skills to establish the required criteria for a teacher?
No and working in the education sector i can confirm this. The people who interview for jobs are trained in the area and can think objectively, selecting a candidate based on competency, experience and qualifications

Regardless of how mature you think you are at 16 there are very few schools where this could even start to be a success
...... for example how many kids at 16 know how to distinguish between differentiated learning and what is not from an interview answered question?

Some kids are bright, but some are just unable to appreciate what makes a good teacher

kids are far more inclined ON THE WHOLE to base their choice on factors which will not rank highly on the list of criteria for succesful teaching

Its nice to have feedback from kids on teachers but to think there is any weighting in the decision as to whether someone gets employed? not a chance as a UNIVERSAL RIGHT for children

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BabyYoYo

lol, how funny I should stumble across this!

:love:

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albie

I feel the fact that you instantly class a topic as predjudice shows why,on a maturity level, it really is a bad idea.

The idea was criticised by the majority, if not all ,of the teachers groups present as being a bad idea, but you at 16 yrs old 'know' they are all wrong!

gangst

i reckon this is quite a good idea for older students, say sixth form 17-18 year olds, because its good to have a teacher that is on the ball and fits in.

however, a relationship between student and teacher isn't really necessary as long as the teacher can get the message across, and so it doesn't really matter if the students like the teacher.

Lost Soul

From direct experience

Disagree

Strongly agree

There are also certain subjects where it is more or less importnant in terms of children 'buying into the teacher' Vs the message the teacher can deliver.

You also have to look at the social hierachy of needs of children at this time

Look who is voted 'prom queen' and what they are picked on. the requirements of a leader from children is often significantly lacking in terms of strong and worthwhile traits

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nathanlowe

Well we constructed questions, and asked each candidate.
From the answers they gave etc we scored them in various catagories.

The candidate we scored the highest, ended up getting the job, following other interviews with heads, govs etc.

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So why not have a secretary on the interview panel for managing director of the company she works for.

Because the secretary doesn't have an understanding of the skills needed to be an effective MD.

A student does not have an understanding of the skills needed to be an outstanding teacher. If you are a student reading this and disagree, please provide evidence of how you have gained a comprehensive understanding of what a teaching role entails.

I think this idea is complete garbage.

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Lost Soul

With the criteria being? (from a group of 16 years olds in depth knowledge of appointing teachers)

In all honesty you were probably being humoured by your teachers as i know FROM DIRECT EXPERIENCE the process of selecting teachers is a very complex process unless the post is left unfilled for lengthy periods, then you only generally have one candidate

Children fear discpline much of the time, they will not warm to a more mature, stern, strict teacher yet are more likely to opt for someone they can 'connect with' and bond with on a social level, not a working level

Connecting is not required on a social level, its a case of delivering a mesage and servicing the educational needs of children and making them excel in a safe environment. Being cool, pally and in touch with them on a social level is often completely unnecessary

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bb the great

i have to disagree with most of you.

Im currently in university so ive recently been through the whole education system this country has to offer.

i think that at age 16 (year of gcse finals) a small percentage of the students would be more than capable of having a valued opinion that should be taken into considderation. We had a school council, i certainly wasnt mature enough to sit at it, but there were alot of people that were capable of making a sensible decision if they were asked to, normally the girls!

As for the whole point of a teacher being able to teach even if they are not liked: in my experinece i have never had good results from a teacher i did not get on with. Maths, electronics and aeronautics are my strong points, my maths teacher at uni is nuts, running round the class cracking jokes. Electronics: he would tell us his boy hood stories for half the lesson, swearing was common place in our class room, he was literally like one of the boys. He managed to achieve with my class more than anyone in the uk could do, 95% A grades for a/s level. At maths i got 85% at university,but with my boring and mindnumbing a level teacher i failed and got a 'u' .

I find that everyone i speak to on my course holds similar opinions.

bb the great

mate, no offence, you must have been in school when the cane was still enforced.

Teacher - pupil relationships are key if a student is to learn and excell. Your point about 'delivering a message' is one of the main reasons the education systems is going down the pan.

Sure, a teacher can 'deliver a message'. But who is going to listen and actually take note or remember the boring and strict teacher that no one can relate to and show respect for? i sure didnt!

Britbb

Your university course?

Exactly ;)

I was at uni once, i know exactly how students at uni think.

Did you know that the leeds student union banned the sale of the sun inside the uni because they declared the sun 'RACIST'.

Leeds student union also banned all nestle products from the uni because they declared nestle as being 'unfair' as its a monopoly.