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Lost Soul · 09-05-2008, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bb the great

i have to disagree with most of you.

Im currently in university so ive recently been through the whole education system this country has to offer.

i think that at age 16 (year of gcse finals) a small percentage of the students would be more than capable of having a valued opinion that should be taken into considderation. We had a school council, i certainly wasnt mature enough to sit at it, but there were alot of people that were capable of making a sensible decision if they were asked to, normally the girls!

As for the whole point of a teacher being able to teach even if they are not liked: in my experinece i have never had good results from a teacher i did not get on with. Maths, electronics and aeronautics are my strong points, my maths teacher at uni is nuts, running round the class cracking jokes. Electronics: he would tell us his boy hood stories for half the lesson, swearing was common place in our class room, he was literally like one of the boys. He managed to achieve with my class more than anyone in the uk could do, 95% A grades for a/s level. At maths i got 85% at university,but with my boring and mindnumbing a level teacher i failed and got a 'u' .

I find that everyone i speak to on my course holds similar opinions.

Sorry my friend but you have been one side of the fence:

As a student

Lets now put that over and put my posisiton across as a :

Fomer student
Interviewee
Interviewer

I think student boards are good ideas but with all due respect their experience and ability to interview is not at an advanced level universally and this would not be applicable THROUGHOUT schools

In schools where children are less articulate, have different motives and have prejudice, this is simply not a suitable method for recruitment

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mate, no offence, you must have been in school when the cane was still enforced.

as a teacher or student? Which one would you like the answer for?

Also, 'no offence' before a post highlights an iniability to think objectively BTW (just for future reference

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Im currently in university so ive recently been through the whole education system this country has to offer.

But those who interview teachers haven't?
They have and then they have ben on the professional side of things too, therefore having more knowledge and experience of teaching, not being taught

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Teacher - pupil relationships are key if a student is to learn and excell. Your point about 'delivering a message' is one of the main reasons the education systems is going down the pan.

incorrect, its a change in laws and human rights which have children being able to act like fools with no chance of straightening them out, again from experience, both sides of the fence, though many sectors of education

Before a child tells a teacher to fcuk off and the whole calss cant believe it, the teacher disciplines them in a SUITABLE manner. Today fcuk off is a form of punctuation and kids will walk out of classes, not about the teacher being poor, about the behaviours children pick up in and out of school, the drugs many are on and the 'get out clause' nature of the UK

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i think that at age 16 (year of gcse finals) a small percentage of the students would be more than capable of having a valued opinion that should be taken into considderation. We had a school council, i certainly wasnt mature enough to sit at it, but there were alot of people that were capable of making a sensible decision if they were asked to, normally the girls!

Its only in KS5 Where children are exposed to true analyisng skills and certainly dont get taught them in KS4 hence why when asked questions in A level exams they have to say:

What happened
Why it happened
What were the consequences
Suitable Solutions

IN KS4 kids simply state fact and have minimal analyisng skills and therefore cannot think objectively

Its nice to have student councils, nice for them to have a say on things happening around the scholl but trusting their judgement in the recruitment of a teacher?

Not a chance

megatron · 09-05-2008, 10:16 AM

Kids are ****ing idiots 99% of the time, why are we giving them move power? They need to be told what to do and slapped round the head if they **** about.

Kids need to be told what to do not asked their opinion, because they are ****ing children... Jesus where is all the common sense going?

bb the great · 09-05-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Britbb

Your university course?

Exactly ;)

I was at uni once, i know exactly how students at uni think.

Did you know that the leeds student union banned the sale of the sun inside the uni because they declared the sun 'RACIST'.

Leeds student union also banned all nestle products from the uni because they declared nestle as being 'unfair' as its a monopoly.

i see what you mean about student, but most people on my course take it pretty seriously, were all doing engineering afterall and on average i put in more hours per week than something doing a 9-5 job. Were not there to doss about!

bb the great · 09-05-2008, 12:10 PM

lost soul : as i said, you must have been in school along time ago. You say your a former student, but times are changing mate.

how can you explain that for as long as i can remember, friendly teachers that pupils can relate to have, in my experience achieved much better grades? i cant prove this so you will just have to believe me.

when you say KS5 etc, do you mean key skils?

you say they are only exposed to these skills at a certain age? kids dont learn everything in school, thats why i said a small percentage are more advanced. I dont keep in contact with many people that sat on the school council for my school at age 16, a couple of them are on facebook, one is doing medicine in bristol, and another mech engineering at cardiff. Both of these subjects would require three 'A' s at a-level for entry.

Lost Soul · 09-05-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bb the great

lost soul : as i said, you must have been in school along time ago. You say your a former student, but times are changing mate.

No my friend, You misunderstand again

I have been to school, been interviewed for teaching jobs, been in interviews for teaching jobs, I have sat both sides of the fence, hence why i can look at this from a much broader angle rather than that of a school pupil

and no, i have been a student in the 21st century

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how can you explain that for as long as i can remember, friendly teachers that pupils can relate to have, in my experience achieved much better grades? i cant prove this so you will just have to believe me.

friendly teachers or teachers kids think will be good? massive difference

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when you say KS5 etc, do you mean key skils?

lol, prime example of why you cannot sit here and state kids are good choices for interviewing potential teachers

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you say they are only exposed to these skills at a certain age? kids dont learn everything in school,

In which situation do chicldren universally gain the attributes to be good interviewers and make impartial decisions outside school with something so serious?

kids learn many things outside school. what makes a successful teacher is not one most will, period

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thats why i said a small percentage are more advanced.

thats fine but cant have one rule for one and another for another

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I dont keep in contact with many people that sat on the school council for my school at age 16, a couple of them are on facebook, one is doing medicine in bristol, and another mech engineering at cardiff. Both of these subjects would require three 'A' s at a-level for entry

So, you pass a spoon fed exam? how on earth does that make you an experienced interviewer? really? do you think NQTs hold interviews? no, they dont have the experience yet are in a better position than most kids

Lets also look at the dynamics within a school.

Who gets to go on the interviewing board?
how does that work with school dynamics amongst their peer group?
Do the kids get the blame from other students if the kids dont like the teacher or fail their grades?
Do the kids say to the teacher 'we got you this job so you better be thankful'

children are subordinates and dont universally possess the maturity to make a worthwile contribution to these things, period

they have good attributes, prentending they are ready to interview being one? no not a chance

YetiMan · 09-05-2008, 12:40 PM

i have alwayss been mature for my age. Very mature. At the time being 16 I would of thought good idea, I know best. Now looking back I think what the **** would I know at 16. I am 23, have been in managing positions, interviewing people, asking questions to determine if they are fit for the job. I only gained questions to determine if people are fit for jobs by doing the job my self and having expirience. How can you possibly ask a questions to find out if some one is suitable when you have no expirience on the matter.
You only see the teacher for x amount of time, you do not really understand what goes on behind closed doors etc, how can you question things like what they do in regards to marking work?

Lost said it best about only being able to connect on a social level.

Its a lot of bollox. Teachers are an authoity figure in schools, pupils having that sort of infloence is ****ing bollox. I am still young and have much to learn, at 16 you aint got a clue.

Lost Soul · 09-05-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by YetiMan

i have alwayss been mature for my age. Very mature. At the time being 16 I would of thought good idea, I know best. Now looking back I think what the **** would I know at 16. I am 23, have been in managing positions, interviewing people, asking questions to determine if they are fit for the job. I only gained questions to determine if people are fit for jobs by doing the job my self and having expirience. How can you possibly ask a questions to find out if some one is suitable when you have no expirience on the matter.
You only see the teacher for x amount of time, you do not really understand what goes on behind closed doors etc, how can you question things like what they do in regards to marking work?

Lost said it best about only being able to connect on a social level.

Its a lot of bollox. Teachers are an authoity figure in schools, pupils having that sort of infloence is ****ing bollox. I am still young and have much to learn, at 16 you aint got a clue.

Good post

i strongly believe we always think we know the most because its as far as we have come in life, if all kids were in the positions of adults they would leave school at 16 and become the high flyers themselves

Whilst many have the POTENTIAL they dont have the experience or knowledge required to make these moves as a universal

megatron · 09-05-2008, 01:45 PM

It's like asking criminals to interview potential police officers.

miami797 · 09-05-2008, 01:57 PM

Yo Yo, a teacher? You must be having a laugh.

miami797 · 09-05-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by megatron

It's like asking criminals to interview potential police officers.

That's what I'm talking about.

Lost Soul · 09-05-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by megatron

It's like asking criminals to interview potential police officers.

This though has a flip as many intelligence services hire ex crims to help them become more clued up?

Computer hacking being a prime example, but i see where your coming from

nathanlowe · 09-05-2008, 10:39 PM

Having a good student teacher relationship is key nowadays. I know this because im a pupil myself and i can see it happening in the school.
One of the best teachers in my school who is the deputy head teacher, is the best teacher to get along with, have a laugh with etc. And funny enough, she produces the best results out of pupils, aswell as being strict with them. Her set 3 class are producing grades better then sets 1 and 2. Her pupils in the class dont mind putting the work in from the respect etc they get from her.

Now in my set 1 class in english, have of the pupils dont really listen, do homework etc and take it easy. We cant have a laugh with the teacher etc and she just isnt strict with us. This is the head of english aswell.

Lost Soul · 10-05-2008, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanlowe

Having a good student teacher relationship is key nowadays. I know this because im a pupil myself and i can see it happening in the school.
One of the best teachers in my school who is the deputy head teacher, is the best teacher to get along with, have a laugh with etc. And funny enough, she produces the best results out of pupils, aswell as being strict with them. Her set 3 class are producing grades better then sets 1 and 2. Her pupils in the class dont mind putting the work in from the respect etc they get from her.

Now in my set 1 class in english, have of the pupils dont really listen, do homework etc and take it easy. We cant have a laugh with the teacher etc and she just isnt strict with us. This is the head of english aswell.

That has little to do with your suitbality to interview and select a candidate, its just a case study of a teacher you get on with and one you dont get on with, not their suitability to be a teacher

I think this will become more obvious as you go through education, out the other end and then possibly come back to it

pauly7582 · 10-05-2008, 09:33 AM

This discussion is funny in a way. The 'students' will never fully understand or appreciate the wider picture. That will come with age. Just as a few people in their early 20's have posted that only now do they appreciate the knowledge ageing 16-23 brings.

Lost Soul · 10-05-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pauly7582

This discussion is funny in a way. The 'students' will never fully understand or appreciate the wider picture. That will come with age. Just as a few people in their early 20's have posted that only now do they appreciate the knowledge ageing 16-23 brings.

100% agree and thats why i stated

"you know more now than you have ever known"

at 16 that isnt as much as you will at 30 or 40 and that is why, maturity, experience and being BOTH sides of the fence (student and teacher and even parent come to think of it) is vital to make an impartial decisions