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    Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigmitch69 View Post
    No because its different rules and laws for them. If you touch a policeman, like my friend did, you can be arrested for assault. Where as a Policeman can basically do what they want. The law IS on their side remember.
    That is not strictly true. Anyone can press charges against someone else for assault Which includes just touching someone. The problem is in cases like that it's your word against theirs. Whereas a police officer is deemed to be More trustworthy. Plus if the police are serving a warrant on your house They are not deemed as trespassers.

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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by mikep81 View Post
    The way I am reading it is this;
    You are in your house, dog attacks trespasser/ suspected trespasser you are fine.
    You are in your house dog attacks friend you are in trouble.
    You are out of your house, dog attackes anyone you are fvcked.
    Maybe I'm wrong but

    you are not guilty if not trespasser = you are guilty if trespasser

    So I'm reading it as 'you are in your house, dog attacks trespasser you are guilty of an offence?

    I'm probably just rubbish at interpreting the law! I'll leave it to the judges to set a precedent if the bill gets passed!

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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    How bizarre!. It is clear as mountain air the clause is in FAVOUR of protecting households who's dogs attack an intruder.

    The amendment in clause 1 extending criminal liability for dog attacks to all places is drafted to
    ensure consistency with the UK Government’s position on householders defending themselves
    against intruders in the home. In the Crime and Courts Bill currently before Parliament, there is a
    provision which will give householders a greater level of legal protection in such circumstances.
    We want a similar level of legal protection if a householder’s dog attacks an intruder, and have
    taken account of your Committee’s recommendation on this issue to ensure that the law does
    not protect trespassers. The clauses outline that a householder will not be prosecuted under
    the Dangerous Dog Act 1991 should their dog attack a trespasser that has entered or is in the
    process of entering the home.

    Someone should send the mail employees back to school.
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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by huckfead View Post
    Someone should send the mail employees back to school.
    The Daily Fail should just be shut down IMO and all the "journalists" should never be allowed into print ever again.

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    Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by huckfead View Post
    How bizarre!. It is clear as mountain air the clause is in FAVOUR of protecting households who's dogs attack an intruder.

    The amendment in clause 1 extending criminal liability for dog attacks to all places is drafted to
    ensure consistency with the UK Government’s position on householders defending themselves
    against intruders in the home. In the Crime and Courts Bill currently before Parliament, there is a
    provision which will give householders a greater level of legal protection in such circumstances.
    We want a similar level of legal protection if a householder’s dog attacks an intruder, and have
    taken account of your Committee’s recommendation on this issue to ensure that the law does
    not protect trespassers. The clauses outline that a householder will not be prosecuted under
    the Dangerous Dog Act 1991 should their dog attack a trespasser that has entered or is in the
    process of entering the home.

    Someone should send the mail employees back to school.
    But according to that document you have to be in the house to be protected otherwise there is room for someone to argue that your dog was uncontrolled. It specifics states that you have to be inside or part inside a building used as a dwelling. Or am I reading it wrong?

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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    20130207_135242.jpg

    This was my mastiff when she was a pup. She's now 5x the size and strong as a bull. If you look through my window and see this looking back at you and still decide to enter, then you have got a ****ing screw loose.

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    Basically I think that if you are breaking the law then you shouldn't be covered by the law at that time. So if you break into someone's house for whatever reason and homeowner severely beats your ass then you are unable to press charges for assault/damages etc.
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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    the only thing my dog defends us from is the moon and the occassional pigeon
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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    The key is to have a dog that wont just take a bite but that will eat the fcuker whole and leave no evidence lol

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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by mikep81 View Post
    What's you're thoughts on this? The article from the Daily Fail says that dog owners could be liable for up to a £5,000 fine and up to 2 years in jail if your dog bites a burglar while you're not home. Now I know it's the Daily Fail so I did some research and have also linked the Proposal Bill for the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

    It basically says that they want to change the act so that a person is liable if their dog is not under control and attacks someone on any property in England and Wales whether it is public or not. So that means that if your dog is uncontrolled in your home while you are out, you could possibly be in trouble. There are subsections that say that you are not guilty of an offence if you are in a building or part building which is a dwelling and the victim is trespassing or if you believe they are trespassing.

    So basically if you're out and your dog attacks a trespasser, there is now no longer an exception for you, IF this proposal gets passed.

    Daily Fail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-burglar.html

    Proposal Bill (page 7 is the relevant page: http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../8601/8601.pdf

    Thoughts??
    In real terms, its so when the next door neighbours 10 year old kid climbs over the fence to get the ball and the dog mauls him to death, you cant defend your dog on the basis that the kid was trespassing. Or if say a fireman hears your smoke alarm going off, climbs in through the window after calling 999, and gets attacked by your dog.


    imo whatever a dog does, the owner should be prosecuted as if they had done it, and punished as if they had done it. Simple rules that should keep dog owners honest.

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    Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by madocks View Post
    Surely this rule cant pass, wouldnt this make police officer liable for police dogs?
    No

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    Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchpress View Post
    In real terms, its so when the next door neighbours 10 year old kid climbs over the fence to get the ball and the dog mauls him to death, you cant defend your dog on the basis that the kid was trespassing. Or if say a fireman hears your smoke alarm going off, climbs in through the window after calling 999, and gets attacked by your dog.


    imo whatever a dog does, the owner should be prosecuted as if they had done it, and punished as if they had done it. Simple rules that should keep dog owners honest.

    Unfortunately some people live in areas where a guard dog is necessary. You shouldnt go on other peoples land without permission
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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigmitch69 View Post
    Load of b0ll0cks. If it happened i'd bite the burglar myself and say i caused all the wounds myself. Self defence or something. Anyways, my dog wouldn't bite anyone. Shame because a burglar would deserve it.
    If it happened to me my dog would be going to stay with the parents for a while and I'd tell the police he was "lost". Someone enters your property you should be able to kill them.

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    Re: Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    So its just a proposal, not actually happening?

    And its in the Daily Mail?

    Don't worry about it mate, it won't happen. Typical crap from the Mail, picking out words to make a headline.

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    Dog owners could be liable if dog bites a burglar!

    Quote Originally Posted by Adz The Rat View Post
    So its just a proposal, not actually happening?

    And its in the Daily Mail?

    Don't worry about it mate, it won't happen. Typical crap from the Mail, picking out words to make a headline.
    True, but that was the whole reason I linked the actual proposal! It basically says the same sort of thing. Just bit less dramatically.

 

 
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