robc

haha a very good and valid reply mate.

Very true, which also reminded me... the government (and the general public, for that matter) must realise and come to terms with the fact that drugs themselves are not the problem, it is drug abuse.

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For example, take Person A, an occasional drinker who, on the rare occasion, will drop a couple of E's, but does not depend upon them to have a good time.

Person A goes out and consumes 5 pints of lager and then 2 ecstasy tablets. Person A started the night looking like this: .. and ended the night like this: .. the next day, Person A looks like this:


Now lets take a look at Person B. Person B is a regular consumer of Heroin, has no job and lives in a council owned bedsit.

They spend the majority of their time like this: ... unless they have their hands on some quality smack, then they look like this: ... and a random, yet eventuality, they will look like this:


So you see, by the example above, do not abuse drugs and simply do not take heroin. Perhaps the government should use my examples when classifying drugs.

Anyway, just thought I would add a little humour to this otherwise very serious topic.

totalimmortal

In my opinion the only reason drugs such as alcohol and tobacco top various lists involving casualties, violence etc etc is because they ARE legal and available to everyone in massive quantities...

I'm sure anabolic steroids would contend for these top spots with any of these drugs were they legal and being used excessively and at the leisure of anybody that wanted to get big...

Basically what i'm trying to say is many of these drugs are potentially no more dangerous than any of the others, tobacco and alcohol are consumed in excessively vast quantities as opposed to anabolic steroids, more usage is inevitably going to incurr more injuries and what have you...
I don't know whether to beleive what charts like show us because people fail to realise these aren't fair and relative comparisons, the harm caused by drugs should be displayed in a more comparitive way ie everything should be taken in relative doses but such studies would probably be unethical and the only thing they really have to go by would be hospital/police records...


I also would like to point out I am currently running my first AAS cycle and I think we as a community here tend to shy away from the side-effects side of the story here (i'm not sure whether this is 100% true as I haven't read THAT much on this board) and I think we should talk more openly about the dangers that are associated with AAS rather than effectively saying 'Nah, there's nothing wrong with steroids...alcohol, there's the problem'

Alex Redford

lmao not a dig at nayone but ... Luke your so right... on a sunday i go to a differant gym to where i train and just chil out using the sauna and pool to relax however when in the sauna me and my trainin partner wher just chatting about if when we are going to think about taking gear and then this overweight woman decides to but in and tell us her life story and it all ends with steroids will be the death of you and all then the played the same record... alot of people who only know them through other people your right mate.

hackskii

There is so much missinformation about steroids in the media and general public it is crazy.
I have talked to many people, they are so wrong it isnt funny.
I love the one where they say it makes your pee pee smaller.....OMG, clueless comes to mind here....

dmcc

I'm not. Isn't it derived from a horse tranquilizer or something?

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Ashcrapper

Noticed a lot of comments in the thread about steroid users (on here) having clean lifestyles etc.

This isnt true about the "pub muscle" steroid users who go in the gym where I train. Id say about 75% of them get absolutely off their tits every weekend. Surely this cant be isolated to the filth whole where I train can it?

Think it depends on the type of person and their goals how healthy they are but then again this is true in every walk of life.

Good thread by the way, interesting debate

Con

That list is fvcking ridiculas alcohol scores over ketamine and solvents score lower than weed PMSL.

Macca 1976

Stanco I have looked at many topics about steroids and Steroid abuse at times I have even considered using them myself but decided it was all for the wrong reasons.

I have known of people who have use them and abused them and have become totally differant in personality for the worse.

I have known guys who have done major damage to there bodys, I also have seen studies that have backed up claims body builders who do abuse steroids dont live as long due to the excess strain on there hearts and bodys, just look at all the problems Arnold S had in later life.

But then there are some guys who do take steroids who are a totally dedicated bunch whos diet and training is nothing I could ever stick to, also you wont see them smashing a glass over some one head at 2 in the morning because of Alcohol, you wont see them coughing there guts up due to smoking so you have to ask this there are so many things that are bad for you in life but its your life and you should choose how you live it as long as it not affecting others.

The problem we have now adays with steroids is that to many people are using it as a get big quick and lose fat fix, there not doing any research and just diving in at the deep end, in my opinion these are the guys who are giving the dedicated a bad name and why so many of these questions araise.

essexboy

Il think youll find arnolds heart issues(valve replacement )was more likely due to a genetic predispostion than steroids.However, i have known of three friends whose deaths whilst not attributed directly to steroids,had symtoms/illnesses that were extremely rare, for men of their age.Remember its not just bbs who use aas, its EVERYBODY whether it be rowers, wrestlers, mma fighters etc.

Macca 1976

Totally agree its common in other sports but they are more regulated than body building when it comes to testing as steroids are accepted in the body building world, the problem with steroids is it is very hard to prove a death through them unlike smoking and drinking.

I also think that a lot of deaths are cause with sports men and women using black market products that could have anything in them, I hear a lot on this forum about people complaining of back pain and other bad syptoms when taking steroids surely that your body telling you to stop?

Pscarb

could you post up or link to these studies please mate....

Uriel

1 thing I like about forums like this is the honesty.

When I was a scroat, I used to read "Flex" and "Muscle & Fitness" as I tried to learn how to get as big as the Olympians in it.

There was much talk of 5 hour a day training, eating (Joe Weiders Products), vitamins etc.

Do you think anyone got Huge following the advice in those mags?

One vital piece of information was NEVER discussed..... Anabolics.

At least a budding BB'er can come here and get good honest advice on what is needed to get massive if that is what they want.

I haven't bought Flex since Ronnie Coleman won his first O....I seem to remember he was a cop at the time and the list of about 40 - 50 supplemets he took daily to get that big.........yeah ok Ronnie!

essexboy

try reading The Adonis Complex.Sorry i cant remember the author.AAS effects on cholesterol ldl/hdl,are probably the most agressive, side effect.Remember that if you experience side effects whilst using,(high bp, behaviour issues) most likely the side effects will disapear on cessation.Arterial plaque which has been cause by "bad fat" will not.

essexboy

glad to see i wasnt the only one.Apart from me reading them in the 70s, nothing has changed.Since Weider began publishing his nonsense, every generation has gullable young bbs, who buy into the myth.Its hard to imagine a world when information wasnt available indstantly, amd we had to rely on the magazines for information.i remember seeing Mentzer in 1980ish in london.He openly admitted to using steroids.He rationalised his decision to admit to using them by saying " I dont do anything im ashamed of, and im not ashamed of using steroids" More power to him.

Macca 1976

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/me...tes/241341.stm

http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C10/C.../steroids.html

Here is two of them I will try and find the other I saw.