Biker

in my honest opionion mate I abused steroids, used far too much for far too long. But then again I would say at least 60-70% of steroid users also do this but bury their heads in the sand and think they are ok.

I think my worst stage was being on for 12 months apart from a 6 week break at the 6 month stage... doses reached over 3g a week towards the end of the year...

A lot of guys should go and get a chest xray and see just how enlarged their heart is, I have no heart problems but my heart is a lot bigger than it should be, which may cause problems in later life.

Had some serious recovery problems, after the false recovered feeling that a clomid course gives you finally wears off.

Pscarb

Why ??

dezikrate

1. I like the way my physique looks
2. I love the feeling of being on stage and looking like a freaky muscle beast
3. Gear aside I am one of the healthiest people you will come across, i don't drink or smoke or do recreational drugs and my diet is spot on.
3. I get loads of chicks

Hey you were doing well there Tom...until the last line!!!!! :rolleye11

Littleluke

I respect your post stanco but you're one of many people who only know of steroids through other people. the old wrod of mouth "steroids make your willy smaller" or "you'll be dead by the time you're 50". If abused any drug can cause you long term problems. There's a steroid seminar tape in the steroids section. Listen to it, 9 people since 1930 died in relation to steroids. How many people died from smoking related illnesses this year? thousands.
You're entitled to have an opinion mate and I respect you 100% for saying how you feel.

hackskii

Myself I always encourage guys to not start.
But if they do start I would rather give them some sensible advice as they are going to use anyway without my help or anyone else’s.
Id rather they get direction and understanding what happens along the way than let them find out the way I did.
Good advice is just that, Good advice.

For the record, all drugs have their own set of side effects, no getting around this; some happen fast, others very slow.
I am fully aware of the side effects of steroids.

But for the record, I don’t know of anyone on the board that openly recommends their use to anyone that has not been in the game for very long.

mant01

I think it should be acceptable to talk about the use of steroids just for the fact that people do use them and its all about personal choice. I respect anyone who goes to the gym whether they take or not mainly because steroids aren't the magic supplements they are made out to be. Its like well you only got big because you use them and they forget about all the training, the heavy weights and pain thats still involved.

Biker

I'm sure there's a lot more than 9 have died. but often it's not clear what the cause is because of other factors, but I would feel confident in saying more than 9 people have died from steroid related problems, although in many cases it could be years after they have stopped using.

Stanco

Yeah i agree biker. I keep hearing time and time again about body builders dying at the age of 40-50 years of age! Although i know thats from long term use/Abuse ect...

Pscarb

I love it when these debates are on the board as those doing the preaching seem to think that those using steroids are either abusing the drugs or have no common sense and are kidding themselves to the effects....
I particular like guys who have used in the past and now condemn others for their steroid use.

I have been using steroids for 18yrs and at some points in this time i used too much or stayed on for way to long maybe both at times....now i cannot say how my steroid use will effect me in 20yrs time but then saying this nor can any of you but i am a healthy 36yr old man after 18yrs of use i get check ups regular including my heart and so far the only thing that is out of check is my cholesterol....

I wonder how many guys who smoke or drink on a weekly basis can say the same ??

Now i am not saying it is healthy or unhealthy to take steroids but from my 18yrs of experience i can say that i am in far better shape both body and mind than guys i know who are verging on being Obese who drink and smoke on a weekly basis and i am damn sure more than 9 people have died from smoking/drinking or Obese related diseases maybe that is something to think about the next time you have a kebab at the end of a night out....??

Littleluke

cracking post Paul.

Keyser Soze

Ah yes, the perennial chestnut of natural vs needle...

I agree firmly with the thread starter, steroids have no place in bodybuilding except at the extreme levels. I am frequently stunned by a few roiders who take pride in fastidiously monitoring their diets, train weights and cardio intensely, yet scream "I'm healthier than the slobs in the street!" whilst injecting substances which come packaged anonymously from underground laboratories in Russia, with no corporate or government agency guarantee of safety.

Bodybuilding is about looking like the pinnacle of health - and it is pretty hard to look healthy for long unless you actually ARE healthy. What's more, there seems to be this ridiculous war between roiders and non roiders...we all make a choice, lift, don't lift, inject, don't inject. It's not my place to tell a juicer to lay off if he isn't a friend or a relation, and he'd better not give me any lectures about only trees growing naturally. He makes his own choice, and I made my own.

That said, I look forward to the day when science has PROOF - not anecdote, not theory, but PROOF that it has refined the production process of steroids to the point where they are as safe as Evian. When that day comes, I will be waiting, needle in one hand and gold card in the other. Until then, I won't risk the lower doses, the higher doses, nothing.

No needles, no worries.

mant01

I'm sure theirs lots of bodybuilders that use die in there 40's and 50's, just like other people who dont use, lol. I know someone who was in his 40's and died just the other day, never touched gear and just really played football instead of going to the gym. People die all the time at all ages its just you hear more about bodybuilders because of the hipe made by steroids. Its just stupid!

Pscarb

This is true but i am just as shocked by severely overweight guys who don't seem to realise that one day because they are so fat they will die this is not theory this is truth statistics now prove that the biggest killer in this day and age is Obesity, now i get angry when someone tells me that taking steroids is unhealthy and i should not do it or talk about it when those same guys or overweight and risk their own health because they cannot control themselves when they walk sorry waddle past McDonald's...

Now i have made a choice to use steroids and i stand by my choice just as those who are natural choose not to use steroids and stand by their choice i won't stand by though and be preached to by overweight guys who drink and/or smoke and then seem to think they are healthy

With that said i await the day when science has PROOF that eating junk foods and being severely overweight is as safe as Evian. When that day comes, I will be waiting, Burger in one hand and donor kebab in the other. Until then, I won't risk the high saturated amounts ...

Now you can sit their behind your PC and preach to me that because you are natural you are healthy but unless you don't drink/smoke or are not overweight then maybe you should get your house in order before preaching to others.....

rant over

Bulldozer

Bottom line is, we are all adults and we make our own decisions.

I think its sad when youngsters are on gear, but this board and as far as i know all others obviously strongly discourage this.

There are certainly a lot of bigger problems out there to worry about than steroids.

Its a personal choice and no body should be judgeing anybody who uses gear, IMO.

(By the way im a natty and never intend to take steroids)

Pscarb

Well said