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Taken this thread from another forum i visit, the subject and expertise there is psycology and human motivation and not physicology or nutrition but this thread is on diet and healthy eating. Just wondered what yoiur take on this debate was guys and girls.
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The reason I am making this post is because I have realised that the things that we eat really does make a difference to our attitude, behaviour, body language etc. This is something we are always bombared with but it never actually accured to me how much of an impact it has.
Here is my point, I decided to make an experiment on whether you really are what you eat so for the past three months I hadn't eated any "junk food" such as chocolate, crisp, fast food or fizzy drinks and I slowly became this funny, quick witted and entertaining guy that everyone liked, I made new friends easyer and thats how even I got my girlfriend. But couple of days ago I started eating "junk food" again and saw the consequence of this on Tuesday. I realised I was less talkative, more grumpy, giving off negative vibes and generally being WAY less sociable. I decided that this wasnt proof enough to I continues to eat junk food and the same thing happened yesterday. Then I changed my diet again last night to health with no junk food and drank lots of water to clear my system of the junk I had eaten and guess what happened today, I was back to being the sociable animal I was before, more fun to be with, cocky, funny, quick witted.
So to everyone out there diet is a crucial part of you "game" and should be taken very seriously. Somethimes I get craving for something sweet such as a chocolate bar but instead I go into the kitchen and drink a glass of water and keep my self busy and before I know it the cravings are gone.
From now on I will no longer eat any "junk food" and strongly suggest you guys & girls do the same.
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I think that you may have developed an 'anchor' with the type of foods you eat and have associated good emotions with eating good food.
If you eat good food and you're belief is that you will be a better and more interesting person, this will fulfill itself and manifest.
When you eat junk and expect to be grumpy etc, you mind will cause you to behave that way because of what you believe.
Its kinda like the placebo effect. Drugs are only truly effective if you believe they will work. That's why placebos can be effective.
Hey, maybe I'm chatting complete bull****, and good food does make you into a better person, which is fantastic. Whatever the cause, keep on doing it bro cos it works!
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Switch and Mac are both right.
Eating food - and the sensation/pleasure it gives - can be very addictive owing to the effect of classical conditioning. And, as we know from NLP, we anchor certain emotional states to certain acts. Given that we have to eat, and eat a lot, and eat all the time, it's easy to see how we can become addicted and anchored to food.
That said, there is no doubt whatsoever that eating junk food is bad for your psychological (and physical) health. Say, for the sake of argument, that all the NLP/anchoring stuff didn't exist. Assume also that eating meant nothing to us other than fueling our bodies.
If you ate nothing but junk food you would start to feel awful all the time. There are many well documented effects of eating too much salt, sugar and fat. Not to mention all the myriad chemicals found in junk food. For more on this, I really recommend watching Morgan Spurlock's 'Supersize Me' and also reading 'Fast Food Nation' by Eric Schlosser.
Mac, this is, for me personally, a timely thread. Thanks for raising it.
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Ye it's possible I have developed an anchor, but like you already said it is still very important what you eat.
MAC
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Quote from: switch on October 20, 2006, 01:46:52 AM
I think that you may have developed an 'anchor' with the type of foods you eat and have associated good emotions with eating good food.
If you eat good food and you're belief is that you will be a better and more interesting person, this will fulfill itself and manifest.
When you eat junk and expect to be grumpy etc, you mind will cause you to behave that way because of what you believe.
Its kinda like the placebo effect. Drugs are only truly effective if you believe they will work. That's why placebos can be effective.
Hey, maybe I'm chatting complete bull****, and good food does make you into a better person, which is fantastic. Whatever the cause, keep on doing it bro cos it works!
I have to admit, that I am not a fan of this frame, as it is very important what we eat. Although NLP is a very powerful tool, I feel it can be over used and then it's own placebo effect can be negated. NLP works wonderfully in communication, though I Mac99 here has indeed hit on something very valuable.
There is a model of the brain that claims the brain's main function is the body's chemical plant, many thousands of chemicals are constantly produced and changed every second, and this in turn can define out reality. If you take mind altering drugs like acid or ecstasy, you cannot deny their effect, and I would be very dubious should anyone call these effects NLP anchors. Food also affects in this way and provides the brain with the chemicals that it needs in order to function.
I take your point though Switch and would never deny anyone a placebo that works for them.
Mac99, try this little recipe every morning and see how you feel.
Healthy Brain Banana Smoothy
2 Bananas
Half pot of Rachels Organic Yogurt (full fat if you can find it)
1 full Teaspoon of Ground Flax Seed Powder
one teaspoon of Hemp oil
Put it all in a blender and add milk to make it up to just under a pint of smoothy.
Ground flax seed is seen as a bit of a miracle food and is generally always of fair to good quality, though you will have to get it from quite a good health food shop, or off the net, Fresh and Wild do not sell it unfortunately.
Hemp oil just adds all the rest of the omegas and other essential amino acids that the brain ideally needs.
This is a pukka breakfast and is quick to make and is plenty sweet enough, be sure not to add sugar, but if you do need an extra sweet bit, try and find some good organic honey, english is best as it is local to the environment that we live in.
I would be interested in how you get on, this will kickstart your day brain wise, and will make work and play more inspiring.
Regards
Fruity Frondshake
P.S. on a bit of a healthy one today, as I just had my first Floatation tank experience, and so recomend it.
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Will definatly try that, I'm off to the supermarket now
I'll give ya feed back soon
Mac
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Re - junk food. This is a self fulfilling prophecy.
I used to eat junk food when feeling depressed. That food then became tthe anchor for depression. Junk food also sends your bllod sugar level all over the place - this can create a short term high followed by a low.
Champagne is also an anchor. That's why it's used. Why should champagne be consumed at celebrations any more than say banana smoothies? It's just social conditioning and implied anchoring.
Slightly off the subjuct here but smell and fragrance is one of the most powerful anchors. I have a collection of fragrancies and choose which ever one is most suited to the situation. I have one for sarging!. I sarged an HB in selfrdiges and she choose it. I then number closed her. Hence then anchor to the fragrance...
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Food anchors!!! What will you guys come up with next?
My mum used to say this quote to me as a kid.
"Why are you looking for the fly, when the elephant walks by and you don't notice?"
- Doesn't translate too well, but you get the jist of it.
Let me tell you why junk food make you 'depressed' the the long run.
Junk food are packed to the teeth with sugars, salts, caffeine, blank carbs etc. Obviously when you consume sugar and caffeine, you get a 'rush' in your body. It does straight into your bloodstream, gets quickly converted to energy, and you get 'high'.
Ever heard of sugar carvings? Seriously hasn't anyone learnt anything from this media frenzy on junk food and school dinners? About how eating to much salt affects the kids behavoirs?
I personally think the behavoir change is more biological rather than mental 'achoring'.
So what happens after a high? You get a nasty depressing come-down. All the suger running through your veins quickly runs out and the blood chemistry changes drastically and you feel ****ed.
It's like when you go to a fast food chain, when you're eating eat you feel sooo good. But 10-15 minutes later you feel like ****.
Healthy food is good, you take in all the minerals that your body needs to survive (your body is happy). Healthy foods release energy on a consistent manner, and digests slowly (unlike fast food which surges your body with sugar immediately). So you don't have that nasty comedown with healthy food.
No anchoring involved, your body is communicating how it feels, if your body is low on vitamins and minerals and nutrients it will ration it. Most of the energy will be priorotised for the body's survival needs. Your personality state can wait, thats not essential, the body just wants to survive. Does the word 'low energy' ring a bell to any of you guys?
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Quote from: on October 31, 2006, 05:33:47 PM
Food anchors!!! What will you guys come up with next?
It's not us that have come up with it. Many psychologist recognise that food anchors exist.
I have helped a number of people with 'eating disorders' That actually are nothing more than negative food anchors.
For example a girl came to me because she could not eat fresh fruit, she was physically sick. After some work I identified that it was nothing more than an anchor. As a small child her mother made her eat fruit, and to rebel against her mother she use to hide the food and throw it away later. This created behaviour, formed the initally stages of a serious eating disorder.
Using NLP and Hypnosis in 2 sessions she left eating raw carrots!
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I'm with you on that Tiger.
As I said earlier, I think you can take NLP a little too far sometimes, and I am of the opinion that you guys are confusing a sugar/chemical rush with anchoring.
Next you will be saying that having a roof over your head is an anchor to being dry and warm.
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