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24-08-2006, 09:34 AM
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| Sexy Moderator  Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom
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    | Long Term Effects of Steroids Hello Gang Ok, we all know the short term effects that we can experiance when taking steroids, of which, include: Acne Liver Damage Feminizing effects in males (growth of breast tissue / gyno) Male attributes in females (deepening of voice, excessive hair growth) Enlarged clitoris (women, DB) Shrunken testicles Physical addiction Reduced sperm count Impotence Infertility Baldness Pain and difficulty urinating Enlarged prostate Baldness Smaller Breast in women Menstrual cycle stops "Roid Rage" Irritability.. Aggressiveness Depression Mood swings Altered libido Psychosis Mental addiction But what can we expect 20 or 30 years down the line? As an example to work on, Im a pretty healthy 24 year old male. Regular blood work all comes out ok, apart from high liver values once, which are now ok. My cycles range from 1g - 2g but never over 2g a week. I always take the proper meds along side my cycles (Nolva, ari, proviron) and always take the proper vitamins every day (Multi Vits, Vit C, Garlic, Cranberry, Fish Oil, etc) Apart from the odd aches and pains, or simple injury, I feel fine. Now, If i was to say, after this cycle, "thats it - Im going clean!" what effects do you think this would have on me, say, when im 50, clares 51 and we have two kids of 15? Am I now at a higher risk of suffering from the below, even though I have been clean for 25 years. Cancer Liver Tumours Heart Diesease Heart Attack Mental Problems Am i going to see them get married, am i going to see them grow up? Am I going to leave clare on her own for the last 20 years of her life? Now - I KNOW that life cannot be predicted. Steroids or no steroids, I could fall down with heart attack any time, I could get testicular cancer at any point - Hell, I could drive home from work tonight and have a head on with a 20 tonne arctic lorry. Really, I just want your input, as to what you views are on the long term effects of steroid use.
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24-08-2006, 09:55 AM
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| Truth is mate, and this is just my opinion. I don't think ANYONE really knows. I don't think there have been enough long term studies of enough people to give an accurate account. Although, I'm sure very LONG term use and very HIGH doses would cause damage. You pointed out all the short term effects, so it would make sense that f you continue to bombard your body with them, at some point you will not be able to recover fully. As I said, that's just my opinion. What's up mate, are you starting to think of the future more and the 'what if'? Predator
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24-08-2006, 09:59 AM
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| Miss UK-Muscle Siren  Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East
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| The bad news is yes mate it can get you further down the line, one of my uncles was a serious bb until around 10 year ago, mind he hammered the gear and imo was bordering on full blown abuse, in the past few years he has had a kidney and a testicle removed which the dotors had told him was a direct result of using gear, he also had to have a hip replacement at 46 which i think is quite young, i also remember he went through a patch of having really abnormal levels of eastrogen (sp) (this again was years after taking gear) last year he was diagnosed with cancer i dont think that was anything to do with the aas as quite a few of my family have been diagnosed with cancer over the years, but the kidney were deffo down to gear. Moderation is the key.
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24-08-2006, 10:07 AM
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 | nice thread paul... but long term effects are unknown from person to person.. some people smoke 40 fags a day and never get any bad effects some smoke 5 a day and get lung cancer at 28 yrs old... who knows mate.. just make sure u enjoy your life and have no regrets...
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24-08-2006, 10:13 AM
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| [quote=DB]some people smoke 40 fags a day and never get any bad effects some smoke 5 a day and get lung cancer at 28 yrs old... who knows mate.. QUOTE] That's a good point actually. But then it's always best to minimise the risk. Don't do more than you need or more than what you know is a healthy limit. What ever that may be. As DB said, it depends on the person! Predator
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24-08-2006, 10:15 AM
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| Well, the **** on the Valentino documentary claims that one cycle plants a "seed" and rusts your body no matter what! Then the other guy had a heart attack and said that steroids have nothing to do with that! Robin Barrett had 2 heart attacks aswell, but then he was doing cycles of sust for 2 years staright i think! IMO...How many people do you know that have had a heart attack? Were they on steroids? Probably not! So you can have a heart attack if youre not on steroids easily anyway. I think that it comes down to cardio. If you don't keep your cv muscles strong and healthly, with all the stress on them from the steroids, you have a high chance ofa heart attack. Thats just what i think! |
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24-08-2006, 10:24 AM
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| My name is EARL  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arnie 08
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| The interesting thing about drug pharmokinetics is that they can be VERY different for different people. It happens in the cytochrome P500 chain on your mitochondrial membrane. The proteins in the mitochondria are coded for by an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SET OF DNA THAN MOST OF YOUR CELLS and you inherit all your mitochondrial DNA from your mom! Mitochondria are quite fantastic cellular organelles, and have a number of parallels with chloroplasts, the energy capturing organelle in plants, without which, it is doubtful life on this planet would exist. In Star Wars, they refer to Midichlorian, having loads of these makes a Jedi! Some think that this is a reference to mitochondria! These are also the organelles that have DNA that is more similar to prokaryotic cells, such as bacteria, and that they arose from the phagocytosis and endosymbiotic evolution of a bacteria cell and a larger one ages ago in the primordial soup, early life! OK Geeked out for the day!  x x x T |
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24-08-2006, 10:34 AM
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Im seriously thinking about calling this cycle my last and training naturally from now on. Quote:
To be completly honest, i was the GV documentry that hit me hard. It wasnt the stuff about greg cause we all know that was ****e, it was the stuff they said about the long term effects. I know its a propaganger based program, meant to scare people, and i REALLY DO NOT know why it has effected me so much - Maybe its to do with my current situation and elevated emotions on the cycle. Stuff like this, i usually just forget about - for some reason, I just cant shake this tho.
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24-08-2006, 10:35 AM
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Does that have any relavence to this thread - Cause I cant see what your trying to say?
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24-08-2006, 10:37 AM
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| Paul mate, the time to think about the unknown long-terms effects was before you started roids - which is pretty much why I don't take them. Year for year, you're a much more switched on bloke than I am, but when you're 18 you're absolutely invincible and indestructible - I know, been there, done that. Plus, I wonder what compelled you to ask this; are you and Clare thinking of having kids? Worried about what effect 'roids have on sperm quality? Is she asking whether you'll still be around to see your grandkids??? About the only upside to marriage I see is that you have a second opinion (one that you can never shut up, but that's another thread!) Back to Biology. We know that if you stop smoking early enough, within 10 years your body will fully heal, or at least your life expectancy will return to normal. We know that if you cut down on drinking and cut out the binges early enough in life, you give your liver a chance to fully recover. The same logic extends to the harder drugs from marijuana to heroin - stop early enough, and the damage to life expectancy and quality is reduced to nearly unnoticeable levels. The human body has an amazing capacity for self-repair, so it's an worthwhile assumption - not a proven, just an assumption - that cutting out roids early enough allows the body to repair any cellular damage. BUT - I don't know what they've already done. I don't know when "early enough" is, nobody does. Again, this is why I never started - too many "We don't knows" from the scientific community, and the fact that this stuff comes not branded with Roche or Glaxo's logo nor emblazoned with full-colour pictures of Ronnie flashing his dazzling pearly whites whilst flexing his 25" guns at the camera, but rather in discreetly unmarked brown packages with little or no accompanying documentation. But again, that's a bit too "anti", so let me retrack. You will do what YOU want to do, Paul - you're over 21 and any choice you make is your good right to make, but there's that subtle change in thinking a man goes through when he gets serious with a lady - what about the future? What worked for you now will work against you later. Just throw the syringe in the bin, it's as simple as that. Whatever you decide mate, all good fortune to ya!!  Keyser. |
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24-08-2006, 10:37 AM
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| I think you need to look at the old time bbers and how theyre doing present day for an idea of what to expect. But apart from that who knows. The way I see it - as long as you dont permently damage anything, ie kidneys, liver, heart etc, and you keep yourself fit and healthy, and you stop taking gear at a reasonable age, theres no reason why you should suffer in later life - apart from maybe the obvious arthritus, stiff joints etc. jmo |
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24-08-2006, 10:38 AM
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| My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arnie 08
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You may process drugs in a way not to have a detrimental effect. The poison is all in the dosage. In my geeked up way x x x T | |
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24-08-2006, 10:40 AM
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| imo kidneys are the number one priority to look after... as they can not repair themselves once they are damged they are damaged.. ( i think thats right?)
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