Originally Posted by hackskii

Copy and paste from another board, alot of information on fighting dogs:

This seems most improbable. Few would probably disagree with the claim that pound for-pound the American Pit Bull Terrier is the finest fighting dog in the world. Moreover, the smaller Pits Bull are usually the gamest and the most talented. Thus, one of these little dogs can often defeat a substantially larger dog, especially if the other dog is not a Pit Bull. However, it should be noted that serious dog fighters are very careful to closely match weights in the most intensely contested matches. A difference of only a few pounds can count a lot in a dog fight.

Moreover, the claim that a smaller dog has a great advantage by being able to get to the throat more readily becomes very silly on close examination. (Editors Tosa on right) By that logic, a Jack Russell Terrier should be able to defeat the small Pit Bull, and a Chihuahua should be able to kill the Jack Russell, thus establishing the Chihuahua as the most formidable dog of all!

In point of fact, if a 30 pound Pit Bull went against a huge Fila like Gabriel, Jetson, Chaka, or Reno, the larger dog would crush the life out of the smaller dog long before the superior gameness or athletic ability of the Pit Bull came into play. Assuming the small Pit Bull did get a throat hold, it would most likely get nothing more than a mouthful of dewlap. It is commonly held that the only two real fighting dogs in the world are the American Pit Bull Terrier and the Japanese Tosa. I have heard it suggested that the ultra-rare Majorcan Presa (aka Ca de Bou) might also qualify. The Korean Jindo (looks like an Akita) is also reputed to be a very tough customer. Middle Asian Ovcharkas are also reported to be used for fighting in their homeland and may possess some talent.

Mixed matches between Pit Bulls and Tosas have produced mixed results. In Japan, one informant states, the Tosas defeat the Pit Bulls about 90 percent of the time. In such matches in the United States, the Pit Bulls have, with few exceptions, been victorious. However, such encounters typically involve Pit Bulls that are seasoned fighting dogs pitted against Tosas that have been little more than house pets.

Most Tosa breeders will have a story about how a dog from their bloodlines has killed or maimed a Pit Bull. It should be pointed out that there is a good deal of variation in the size and quality among both Tosas and Pit Bulls, the latter breed having suffered from the scourge of puppy mill breeding. In the case of a 140 pound Tosa of the finest East Japan fighting bloodlines against a 40 pound Pit Bull of indifferent breeding, I would have little doubt about the outcome.

On the other hand, a seasoned, game bred, game tested Pit Bull should be able to hold his own against almost any Tosa. As a matter of interest, several years ago a correspondent to the old Bulldog Review Magazine mentioned having visited Taiwan. He inquired about the presence of the Tosa fighting subculture in Taiwan. He was told that they had been killed off by Pit Bulls. One prominent Tosa breeder reported seeing four mixed matches in Hungary. One involved a large male Tosa against a Neapolitan Mastiff. This was a very one-sided slaughter that was soon halted to stop further harm to the Neo.

In the second bout, a smallish, young female Tosa fought to a draw with a male Pit Bull that was nearly as large as herself. In the other two bouts, the Tosas decisively defeated the Pit Bulls. In one of these contests, the Pit Bull was seriously mangled, loosing an eye in the fight. In both fights, the Tosas became more dominant as the fight progressed. Evidently, the Pit Bulls had tired from wrestling with the larger dogs. The same breeder mentioned having seen two spontaneous, accidental fights between Tosa'sand Fila'sat American dog shows. In both cases the Tosas very much dominated the action while it lasted.

Proceeding to some of the other mastiff type breeds, the American Bulldog varies considerably in size and temperament. They seem to be capable of fighting ferociously and capable for a short period of time and then losing interest quickly. My informant tells me of a mixed match which an American Bulldog punished an Argentine Dogo non stop for about 15 minutes and then quit when the Dogo finally fought back. I have also heard of a mixed match between a Tosa and an American Bulldog in which the Bulldog quickly jumped out of the ring to avoid further punishment. The Argentine Dogo was developed primarily as a hunting /pack dog. It does have some fighting breeds in its make up and can give a good account of itself in a scrap, but not on the same level as level as the "real fighting dogs".

The Presa Canario has its origins as a fighting dog. Today, it is largely a reconstructed breed, with heavy infusions of English Mastiff and American Staffordshire Terrier. As a fighter, it is reported to be similar to the American Bulldog - furiously aggressive for the first few minutes of the fight but lacking in gameness and staying power. The Dogue de Bordeaux has not been used as a fighting dog for about a century. In a mixed match with the Tosa witnessed by my principle informant, the two dogs collided in the middle of the ring and the Tosa knocked the Dogue de Bordeaux cold.

The Cane Corso looks like a fighting dog, but really isn’t. In functions, it is more akin to the Fila; being primarily an estate guardian and protector of livestock. Also like Fila, it is a good pack dog. One of the leading Cane breeders tells me that he has as many as seven male Canes playing together peaceably. When all is said an done, the "Toughest Dog in the World" is probably either a 60 or 70 pound Pit Bull dog or a Tosa weighing about 130 pounds.

The Fila should not be considered a fighting dog. It was never bred for that purpose. It should be pointed out that the specialized fighting dogs are often of limited utility for much else. Many, if not most, Pit Bulls are too friendly to make effective property protectors, and many of them are stolen themselves.

A fair percentage of highly bred game Pit Bulls from the best fighting bloodlines are quite man-shy, and the same seems to be true with of Tosas, quite frequently, Other Pit Bulls and Tosas are very "waggy" in fact, for people whose primary interest in a dog is personal protection, I usually recommend the Fila over the Tosa, even though I dearly love my Tosa and am very partial to the latter breed.

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Yeh you are right it is a editors reprint, but its my reprint, i wrote the letter, and i would also like to add a few things, i keep seeing everyone talk about the akitas, well let me tell u this, akitas "WERE" used as fighting dogs in japan, then they started useing the tosa, how ever the akitas were pretty much domanating the fights, UNTILL the Japanese started to mix Euro dogs with the tosa, and eventually the Tosa's took over the dog fighting seen in japan, so yes akitas were used as fighting dogs once befor, but please remember they are not at all as tough as the fighting dogs of today, I have seen and watched alot of dog fights in my life, and im gonna have to say, that if you are from the U.S.A. and you are wanting to get into dog fighting, well the pitbulls is where its at, there is a reason why everyone uses pitbulls in the U.S. its because They are the dogs that win fights and make there owner money, alot of times its not a ego thing, like i have the toughest dog around, its more of a money thing, people fight these dogs to make money, now if a akita or any other breed of dog had the ability to take down these pitbulls in the box, they would obvisouly be used instead of the pitbull, because people want to win fights TO win money$$$, so remember that, and appreciate the complament Dave

Originally Posted by LondonGeezer

tell u wot hacks.. il ask her as a 1 off to take a picture of me instead.. n il make sure i got a woody so that wen i post it on ere u can measure for me lollll

Originally Posted by robsta9

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These are my favourite dogs in the world, loyal, loving superb dogs.....yet they are banned in the uk...when not one has ever set foot on these shores...they were bred from the pit, bulldog, brazilian mastiff(another dog that could do a pit) and a couple of others (can't remember them all) by an Argentinian Dr in the early 20th century....he was trying for perfection and I think he did it...

Originally Posted by mrmasive

What are they called??

Originally Posted by LondonGeezer

cheers hacks dat'd be great.. give me a goal to set myself wen im practicing jelqing

T i kno girls who worry about flappy fannies.. but that's because they've had every tom d*ck and harry..

i dont kno much about a tosa, never seen it fight or anything but my mate had a pit and in the park it dug into another dog (english mastiff) dogded the attack.. ducked under the bigg thing and lept for its neck.. locked on and took the mastiff down, ma mate had his dog by the back legs tryin to pull him off kickin him in the balls and everything and after about 4-5mins it let go.. the mastiff didnt get up.. infact i didnt even see it move, i was at a distance fvckin in shock to see the mastiff jus layin there but we had to run bcos the idiot hasn't got pet insurance and i dont think he had the lisence either for a pit. to witness that wos unreal - all the same nasty because i love dogs and to see that mastiff layin there like that wos nasty but nothing i cud do and if i went forward im pretty sure i wuda got my penny's worth from that pit that day aswell.
just makes u think if it can do that much damage to such a bigg off dog imagine wot it cud do to me n u :s

are pits known to turn on their owners? i heard they are..

but i assume any dog would if treated badly ownly diffrence being if a poodle turned on me id kick it in the face where as a pit id be down on ma knees lol

Originally Posted by hackskii

I have a lovely black labrador, she is the most loving animal in the world. I was trying to put my shoes on this morning before work and she jumped on the couch and started licking my face. I dont know what got into her but she melts when I give her a hug.
When I tell her how beautifal she is her tail starts to wagg.
She is 6 years old and actually does some stuff that is funny, almost like she has a sense of humor (almost).
Anyway, I love that dog and if anything happened to her I would be crushed.

I can say that if someone was going to attack me she would protect me.
She is very territorial in the back yard and makes alot of noise.
Not sure if she would bit or not but she loves the hell out of me and I really like that.

Guess I need a wife or something