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Old 25-05-2006, 08:27 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Ok lads, IMHO, if you could stick your **** in a woman, then be prepared for the consequences.

I think you are all forgetting that CARLOS was in love with this woman and wanted to set up a future with her.

Who knows, it could just be a wild hormone thing that had her have a 'funny turn' and they could get back together.

EVERYONE may suffer with an unwanted pregancy, or everyone can benefit.

Ironman has said it perfectly. Well almost, cause I think children need both of their parents in their life.

What would have you trash the mother or father of your child? WHAT utter madness.

Yes people are angry and hurt when they split, but if you had any love or respect for that person AT ALL, and some people would say that this reflects on the love and respect you have for yourself, you would really wish the best for them. NOT try and make them wrong and pay for it.

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I think that got mistaken Peg, just so many of the lads were slagging off Carlos's ex, she is the mother of his child, why would they want to make her wrong.

Or anyone wrong. I try not to play in the world of right and wrong when it comes to a lot of stuff.


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Old 25-05-2006, 08:50 PM   #47 (permalink)
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After a comment like that - id like to repeatedly kick you in your fukin head you sick b@stard.

In the circles you mix in - what would they be exactly - from the way you keep winging on you have no experince with women anyway so what would you know?

You really are a fukin w@nker.
Ha, sublimely put.

I had a similar reply typed up, but out of respect to Paul and Lorian, I'm not descending to your level. And you'd find that kicking me in the head is NOT in your future.

Dude - you clearly have rage issues, I've suspected so for a while, and now you've confirmed it for me. I'm sure I'm not the first to notice, but at the rate you're going, I'm going to be one of the last. Get help - from your family, friends, professionals, post here, whatever, I don't care. Just check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Tom - talk to chumster above about "advocating violence", not me. The matter's closed, as far as I'm concerned, let's all cool off.

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Old 25-05-2006, 08:50 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Tatyana:

I find in cases like these there are guiding principles to follow that can protect us from these life changing events, but as my father told me once, "We are full aware of our own choices and must accept the responsibility for them. Sometimes we can be more critical of ourselves than any other person can be."

I try to see all aspects of the reality of the situation and make the best out of it. Yes, I remember the lads slagging the woman. It seems to always be the woman's fault from the man's point of view now doesn't it. I suspect the men will think that women always think it's the man's fault. That's as old as Adam and Eve... passing the buck. Carlos is heads above the rest and has my respect for his strength of heart and love for not passing the buck.

I think what I was thinking of was more from a parent's point of view.
There was no need to vent and tell my daughter what she did was a grievious mistake as she already knew and understood the consequences of the "mistake". I could either support and encourage her and be there for her in her choices or alienate her with criticism and a cold shoulder.

I chose the support and encourage.

I think Carlos will be a super daddy and a super spouse if she will just trust him and forgive herself and realise how lucky she is to have him.
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Old 25-05-2006, 09:42 PM   #49 (permalink)
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i think paternal instinct is perhaps being confused with rage issues and also that people are using this thread to vent their own feelings about previous or present relationships the real issue is that one of our own is going to be a dad and i know that this will bring him more joy than all the jd, charlie and loose moralled bisexual women in the world could ever. Carlos mate life will be what it will be but your child will love you unconditionally forever.
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Old 25-05-2006, 10:37 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Are you off your head - you obviously know nothing about this so why comment?
IMO unless the mother is a drunken child battering whore then the child needs to be with mother more than the father.

Dig some dirt on the x - get real - how will this benifit the baby - after all its the babies wellfare whats at stake here and whats best for the baby.

Your dreaming if you think any court in the land will give custody to the father over the mother unless in extreme circumstances.

All this will do is cause further anomosity bewteen the mother and father and ultimatly the baby will suffer.

This situation has to be dealt with like adults on both sides not like a couple kids fighting over a toy.
Na mate essentially the child needs to be with both parents, not one, they both play their parts.
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Ok lads, IMHO, if you could stick your **** in a woman, then be prepared for the consequences.
Not always that simple though Tat. Sometimes the chick wants a child and will do whatever to get one. I dont feel its fair that If the mother has the child and the father doesnt want it/ wasnt part of a stable relationship/wasnt or doesnt feel ready that he still has to pay child support regardless.
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Studies actually show that the father's influence on a child has the greatest impact on the child. I'll look them up for you if you want.

I say that the father should have the option of full custody to the child.
I say that there are unfit mothers in the world as well as unfit fathers.
I've known quite a few unfit mothers in my counselling.

Ideally the child should have both parents in his/her life in copious quantity.
It can be done. It is just a matter of choice by the man or woman.

I think the choice is forced upon women by the courts. It is no wonder she has pushed heavily for the "right" to abortion.
It and adoption are the only way to escape her responsibility towards the child if she does not want it nor has a man who wants to be a good father for the child. It is the court that deems she must be a better caregiver than the dad. Men have always had the choice of leaving.

I know men who are fantastic fathers!!!

I think if men were forced the choice of rearing a child instead of the mother the world would be a better place or there might be fewer unplanned pregnancies.

BOTH mom and dad are important to a child's upbringing in the ideal.
Each contribute valuble experience and knowledge to the growth of the child.

Danny:you will agree about the mom being the best because that was your experience. I know others who think that being with dad was the best.

Tatyana: Having gone through this with my own child, there is no pointing or saying the person is wrong or not. It happened and so life will change drastically and character will be forged in the experience of what the future holds. I think Carlos will be an excellent father and will do what needs to be done that is right by him and the mother of his child. His baby, if it is his, will be fortunate to have a father that loves so greatly.

First things first, Carlos.
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Old 26-05-2006, 10:21 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Na mate essentially the child needs to be with both parents, not one, they both play their parts.
Dude I totally agree that a child needs both parents - My post was just referring to the situation where parents were split and who should have custody thats all, and even in this situation the child needs both parents - I think this goeas without saying.
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Not always that simple though Tat. Sometimes the chick wants a child and will do whatever to get one. I dont feel its fair that If the mother has the child and the father doesnt want it/ wasnt part of a stable relationship/wasnt or doesnt feel ready that he still has to pay child support regardless.
I was just walking down the street minding my own business,when OOOPS, my penis just FELL into this vagina without a condom and then I LOST my semen in her as well.

OH I am just so clumsy at times!



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I was just walking down the street minding my own business,when OOOPS, my penis just FELL into this vagina without a condom and then I LOST my semen in her as well.

OH I am just so clumsy at times!



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Shes got a good point dude - if you dont want a baby, strap it up before you slap it up. Simple.
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Shes got a good point dude - if you dont want a baby, strap it up before you slap it up. Simple.
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Ha, sublimely put.

I had a similar reply typed up, but out of respect to Paul and Lorian, I'm not descending to your level. And you'd find that kicking me in the head is NOT in your future.

Dude - you clearly have rage issues, I've suspected so for a while, and now you've confirmed it for me. I'm sure I'm not the first to notice, but at the rate you're going, I'm going to be one of the last. Get help - from your family, friends, professionals, post here, whatever, I don't care. Just check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Tom - talk to chumster above about "advocating violence", not me. The matter's closed, as far as I'm concerned, let's all cool off.

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Have to say something, cause in all honesty, saying 'kick the B*TCH in the tummy' and I am sure you tamed that down, it pretty fricking advocating violence to women and children.

I have learned that violence begets violence and there is no point in taking on a man's ego.

I just don't hear ANY REMISS or apology or ANYTHING about the first comment made. I am interpreting it like what you said is acceptable, that violence towards pregnant women (OMG) is ok.


Ironman is very, well, full on testosterone at times, YES, however, about 10 years ago I probably would have responded in a very similar manner to your comment.

Now I don't think that violence with anyone or anything is cool.

It seems like all the responsibility for the initial inappropriate comment is negated because of Ironman's response.

I would highly recommend checking out the pot before calling the kettle black in this case.

I had to say something or it would really BUG me. And cause I have had a lot of time for you. Seems so out of character for you.

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Sorry KS

Have to say something, cause in all honesty, saying 'kick the B*TCH in the tummy' and I am sure you tamed that down, it pretty fricking advocating violence to women and children.

I just don't hear ANY REMISS or apology or ANYTHING about the first comment made. I am interpreting it like what you said is acceptable, that violence towards pregnant women (OMG) is ok.

I would highly recommend checking out the pot before calling the kettle black in this case.

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Good Point tat
were was the apology KS? ironman said what many of us thought(i know i did when i read what you said) yet all you have done is say he has problems and needs help!

How can you honestly say this when you are advocating something that could(probably would at 9weeks old) Kill an unborn child? what has the baby done wrong here?

Carlos and his ex have had problems but the baby hasn't done anything wrong here the baby didn't ask to be concived!!
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Sorry KS

Have to say something, cause in all honesty, saying 'kick the B*TCH in the tummy' and I am sure you tamed that down, it pretty fricking advocating violence to women and children.

I have learned that violence begets violence and there is no point in taking on a man's ego.

I just don't hear ANY REMISS or apology or ANYTHING about the first comment made. I am interpreting it like what you said is acceptable, that violence towards pregnant women (OMG) is ok.


Ironman is very, well, full on testosterone at times, YES, however, about 10 years ago I probably would have responded in a very similar manner to your comment.

Now I don't think that violence with anyone or anything is cool.

It seems like all the responsibility for the initial inappropriate comment is negated because of Ironman's response.

I would highly recommend checking out the pot before calling the kettle black in this case.

I had to say something or it would really BUG me. And cause I have had a lot of time for you. Seems so out of character for you.

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Thanks for having time for me, the reverse is also true T, but I'm not getting dragged back into this petty argument, I've got time for YOU and anybody here. Anyone who has a problem is free to PM me.

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