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dave20 · 24-04-2006, 02:55 PM

All you legal boffs:

Does anyone know how to find out the market median of a job? (how much it should pay)

Its just my job role has recently been changed and i know im being underpaid...

There are a few poeple in the same job on more money already.....

Its a very long complicated story but i need to find some sort of evidence so i can get my money!

The job is in a band classification and i should be on 20k according to this...

They have offered me 17k and say that it is based on the market median...

Thing is there are a few others already in the position on more than 20k....

The Job is "Supply Chain Analyst"..

Is there anything i can do? Any help, legal info etc would be apprechiated!!

**Great White** · 24-04-2006, 04:28 PM

Have a look on monster.co.uk or gizajob.com

They have calculators on there showing what you should be earning, depending on your age, location and role.

**Great White** · 24-04-2006, 04:29 PM

Oh, and if they have offered you 17K remember, that will prolly be for a trial perioud which will go up after three months, if you are right for it and they like you.

Either way, if you appeal against it, they will prolly not give you the job anyway. There are no laws on wages apart from the "minumum wage" law.

Hell, you could be a head director of your office and if they wanted to they would only pay you 15K.

Delhi · 24-04-2006, 04:48 PM

Allow me to try and help you here:

First of all I work in HR so what I am saying should be taken with a pinch of salt :tongue10:

You could use a salary check like that found at "Totaljobs.com". But, take it from me this "Evidence" you seek will not make one iota of difference to your case. What YOU need to do to get more money from me is show ME why I should pay you more. A few bits of paper saying you could be on X amount elsewhere tells me that you should probably be better off to go there.

Now, I REALLY suggest that you read a book called "How to win friends and influnce people" by Dale Carneigie. This book will show you how to win me over and make me convinced that you are critical to the company (Even more so than the others who already have the higher wage).

Basically the mistake you are making is only thinking about what you need / want. I dont give a toss about that, I am only interested in ME............................So please me and I might give you a rise higher than everyone else.

Good luck mate.

Magic Torch · 24-04-2006, 05:03 PM

Are you happy with 17k? If yes take the job. If no then dont. Simple.

I'd take the job and if the money dont go up in 3 months as Pauly G said, then look for another one. you'll still have a job and you can leave when you find another one

BIG-UNC · 24-04-2006, 05:08 PM

maybe the people on 20k have more experience than yourself mate !!

ask if the wage is negotiable they'll always try and pay less if they can get

away with it..anyway goodluck

Gridlock · 24-04-2006, 11:39 PM

Just tell them you are not happy with the money, you think you are worth more and you know you could get more elsewhere.

\they will not want to lose you, for starters they will have to pay someone like me at least £3k to replace you not to mention the cost of training etc.

I will dig out some info on wage negotiations for you mate,

HIGHLANDER · 25-04-2006, 01:18 AM

As they hold the cheque book,they make all the rules,but if you are confident you can talk the talk and walk the walk you could accept with some win/win terms for both parties.

Firstly ask for a job profile so you know what you will be directly be accountable for.
Then agree if you wish to the 17k wage to start with but agree that it will be reviewed on a mutually agreed date.

Then ask and help set yourself some S.M.A.R.T goals in direct relation to your job position.

S SPECIFIC
M MEASURABLE
A ACHEIVABLE
R REALISTIC
T TARGETS

This way you agree to some job performance targets and if you hit them,theyll know youre the man for the job and worth the money you can ask for at the review date.

Go for it,youre not a monkey so dont settle for peanuts,but you got to show them what you are worth before you can ask for it.WOULD YOU SIGN A STRIKER WITH NO GOALS TO HIS NAME??????

HIGHLANDER

dave20 · 25-04-2006, 09:11 AM

Cheers for all the help guys, Im going to speak to HR today about it, ill let you know how i get on....

I think it was mentioned that i will get bigger rises when they are due than the people on 20k to bring me up to there level....

But we will see....

Thanks fo the info

24-04-2006, 02:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
dave20 Growing Fast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Mids Posts: 484	Legal Stuff All you legal boffs: Does anyone know how to find out the market median of a job? (how much it should pay) Its just my job role has recently been changed and i know im being underpaid... There are a few poeple in the same job on more money already..... Its a very long complicated story but i need to find some sort of evidence so i can get my money! The job is in a band classification and i should be on 20k according to this... They have offered me 17k and say that it is based on the market median... Thing is there are a few others already in the position on more than 20k.... The Job is "Supply Chain Analyst".. Is there anything i can do? Any help, legal info etc would be apprechiated!!

24-04-2006, 04:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,240	Have a look on monster.co.uk or gizajob.com They have calculators on there showing what you should be earning, depending on your age, location and role. __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

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Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,240	Oh, and if they have offered you 17K remember, that will prolly be for a trial perioud which will go up after three months, if you are right for it and they like you. Either way, if you appeal against it, they will prolly not give you the job anyway. There are no laws on wages apart from the "minumum wage" law. Hell, you could be a head director of your office and if they wanted to they would only pay you 15K. __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

24-04-2006, 05:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Magic Torch UK-M Swimsuit model Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 4,902 Blog Entries: 5	Are you happy with 17k? If yes take the job. If no then dont. Simple. I'd take the job and if the money dont go up in 3 months as Pauly G said, then look for another one. you'll still have a job and you can leave when you find another one __________________ intentionally blank

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BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,949	maybe the people on 20k have more experience than yourself mate !! ask if the wage is negotiable they'll always try and pay less if they can get away with it..anyway goodluck __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

24-04-2006, 04:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Delhi Bigger, Better, Stronger Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Posts: 1,861	Allow me to try and help you here: First of all I work in HR so what I am saying should be taken with a pinch of salt :tongue10: You could use a salary check like that found at "Totaljobs.com". But, take it from me this "Evidence" you seek will not make one iota of difference to your case. What YOU need to do to get more money from me is show ME why I should pay you more. A few bits of paper saying you could be on X amount elsewhere tells me that you should probably be better off to go there. Now, I REALLY suggest that you read a book called "How to win friends and influnce people" by Dale Carneigie. This book will show you how to win me over and make me convinced that you are critical to the company (Even more so than the others who already have the higher wage). Basically the mistake you are making is only thinking about what you need / want. I dont give a toss about that, I am only interested in ME............................So please me and I might give you a rise higher than everyone else. Good luck mate.

24-04-2006, 11:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gridlock A diamond in the rough Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,224	Just tell them you are not happy with the money, you think you are worth more and you know you could get more elsewhere. \they will not want to lose you, for starters they will have to pay someone like me at least £3k to replace you not to mention the cost of training etc. I will dig out some info on wage negotiations for you mate, __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

25-04-2006, 01:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
HIGHLANDER Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 52	Go get it if your think youre worth it As they hold the cheque book,they make all the rules,but if you are confident you can talk the talk and walk the walk you could accept with some win/win terms for both parties. Firstly ask for a job profile so you know what you will be directly be accountable for. Then agree if you wish to the 17k wage to start with but agree that it will be reviewed on a mutually agreed date. Then ask and help set yourself some S.M.A.R.T goals in direct relation to your job position. S SPECIFIC M MEASURABLE A ACHEIVABLE R REALISTIC T TARGETS This way you agree to some job performance targets and if you hit them,theyll know youre the man for the job and worth the money you can ask for at the review date. Go for it,youre not a monkey so dont settle for peanuts,but you got to show them what you are worth before you can ask for it.WOULD YOU SIGN A STRIKER WITH NO GOALS TO HIS NAME?????? HIGHLANDER

25-04-2006, 09:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
dave20 Growing Fast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Mids Posts: 484	Cheers for all the help guys, Im going to speak to HR today about it, ill let you know how i get on.... I think it was mentioned that i will get bigger rises when they are due than the people on 20k to bring me up to there level.... But we will see.... Thanks fo the info

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