DB

yeah it is a very good post princess xxx

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Bazzamax

Good post mate...I should print it off and give to the newbies at my gym.
keep up the good work..
Bazza.

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holdmeback

great post if i was thinking of this as a first cycle could i replace the dbol with oral winny, as my friend got bad blote from dbol,cheers.

big

Yes, that would work fine too. In fact, I did just that a while back, with test enan and winny.

A lot of the bloat from dbol is caused by diet choices. As long as you keep your diet relatively clean, you might be okay. Everyone is different. You could always run dbol at the start and winny at the end.

But winny instead is fine.

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Vince Hotwig

Great article big.

Not going to do anything fancy untill i get the big compounds under my belt.

Two question big, could i use this as a four day split? and if i shoot my protain in take from 200g aday to 400g would i get fat because I would love to be a 250pound bodybuilder but not a fat one

I started training at 69kgs now 77kgs. Would it be better to build my protain in take slowly?

big

Most people overtrain on a 4 day split. SOME people get away with it, but most are better off on a 2 day or 3 day. Those who do get away with it tend to have to deload every 4 weeks, or even more frequently. How were you intending to split it exactly?

Yes, build up your protein slowly. If you start to notice yourself putting on fat, cut back your carbs and/or fats a little. You can adjust things as you go along.

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Vince Hotwig

I want to do your program monday tuesday rest wednesday back on thursday friday rest weekend. I know it would maybe be better on the two day split but I get bored when I am not in the gym.

Would love to be a personal training than, i can b in there allday, sad?
beats servicing gas boiler allday lol

big

So you would rather be in the gym more often and get worse progress?

Why not do the 2 day or 3 day split, and then go to the gym for cardio on the other days?

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Vince Hotwig

Hell no. 3 day split it is than mate cheers. Could do with taking my body fat down with some cardio good for the heart too.

Deano1

I have only now just read this !!!!! very very good Matt seriously **** hot juts printed it out loads of good stufff on there that I should never forget!

winger

Yea nice read indeed. This is just my opinion but I think two weeks after the last enenthate shot is to soon. My buddy is on hrt and he takes a shot every 3 weeks of tes enenthate 200 to be exact. At day 21 he gets tested and he is still on the high side of average males. Most of us dont get blood tests. If you dont then chances are it is all guess work.

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Well, according to HRT doctors like Swale, and PCT experts like Jenetic, you should be starting PCT 5-10 days after your last enan shot. According to them (and I think they're right), your levels do NOT need to drop to normal in order to start recovery. Sure your body MAY not start endogenous test production until exogenous, but you can get LH recovery long before your levels drop, which is extremely beneficial for recovery.

But IMO, switching to fast esters near the end of a cycle is the safest bet.

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winger

Well Swale is the man.

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DB

:withstupi :withstupi

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Its Mr. Stupid. :confused:

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