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chrisj22 · 20-05-2008, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aftershock

Sensible amounts or cardio will have no impact on lean mass retention IMO.

I can see the point you are making Mentzer advocated no cardio, however he may not the best example since he died of a heart condition

pmsl.....

True though.

chrisj22 · 20-05-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brett the heart

kezz that is not through cv that is through gfood diet im all for that. you need to feed the body correcly to grow great no prob you are what you eat. you change your diet depending on what you do ie cuttin up pre show or out of season. that has no bearing on cv

Wrong.

If someone is trying to put on lean muscle, they obviously have to eat surplus calories. If you are eating surplus, clean calories, combined with cardio every other day, it will keep fat at bay.

Check out Rightyo's thread. He's eating a fair bit (granted it's clean), & he's doing cardio every other day, I think. He's now got the same size waist what he had when he competed in September last year, but about 2 & a half stone heavier.

Yes, it's clean food, but the quantity would still put fat on if he wasn't doing cardio.

Wee G · 20-05-2008, 04:49 PM

"....come on are you really saying that you can do as much cv as you like without losing mass"

Im saying if you do the right amount of CV you will gain MORE muscle mass, and be leaner, than if you do none.

brett the heart · 21-05-2008, 09:57 AM

no you wont gain more muscle mass sorry have to disagree mate. the cardio cuts the fat and helps shed exess waterin whicth will help define the muscle more cos less fat covering the muscle. here rite why do body builders shave there heads. yeh makes you look biggeryou get a man with full head of hair and a bald man both the size measurements exactly. i know the bald man will look bigger.cv cuts fat giving more def to muscle.

Wee G · 21-05-2008, 05:52 PM

I'm not refferring to losing bodyfat giving the appearance of being more muscular. I'm referring to actual gains in muscle mass.

Point out where you disagree with these statements...I would answer 2yes" to all of them.

Does CV increase metabolic rate?

Does protein turnover increase with increases in metabolic rate?

Does increased protein turnover equate to greater gains in muscle mass, assuming all else is equal?

If you answer yes to all of these, then CV aids in increasing muscle mass! If you you dont answer yes to them all, tell me why?

Toop · 21-05-2008, 06:02 PM

Hahaha, get out of that 1

bkotey · 23-05-2008, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wee G

I'm not refferring to losing bodyfat giving the appearance of being more muscular. I'm referring to actual gains in muscle mass.

Point out where you disagree with these statements...I would answer 2yes" to all of them.

Does CV increase metabolic rate?

Does protein turnover increase with increases in metabolic rate?

Does increased protein turnover equate to greater gains in muscle mass, assuming all else is equal?

If you answer yes to all of these, then CV aids in increasing muscle mass! If you you dont answer yes to them all, tell me why?

Give it up brett. He pretty much laid it out there man

TH&S · 23-05-2008, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wee G

I'm not refferring to losing bodyfat giving the appearance of being more muscular. I'm referring to actual gains in muscle mass.

Point out where you disagree with these statements...I would answer 2yes" to all of them.

Does CV increase metabolic rate?

Does protein turnover increase with increases in metabolic rate?

Does increased protein turnover equate to greater gains in muscle mass, assuming all else is equal?

If you answer yes to all of these, then CV aids in increasing muscle mass! If you you dont answer yes to them all, tell me why?

In addition, some CV has been shown to affect both aerobic and anaerobic pathways, and increase GH production.

Mr Wee G - reps.

TH&S · 23-05-2008, 10:56 PM

May I also suggest this is moved out of the reading room (article only...)

iwannagetbig · 24-05-2008, 09:53 PM

miles2345 · 25-05-2008, 03:56 PM

sorry mate but cardio and fat burn are two totally different things and occur at different %ages of you maximum heart rate. Cardio vascular work has huge benefits to increasing the body's efficiency in supplying the muscles with oxygenated blood and nutrients whilst training and post training. Fat bur occurs at a much lower heart rate, cardio doesnt make you burn fat and fat burn doesn't help your cv fitness, and if there is any effect at all it isnt worth mentioning

Wee G · 25-05-2008, 09:12 PM

Miles,

Actually CV work performed at a higher % max HR has a MASSIVE fat burning effect, far greater than performing lower % MHR work (traditional "fat burn" work).

Lower intensity work burns greater fat as a percentage of total calories burned, but much lower total calories, and indeed less total calories from fat, than higher intensity work.

TH&S · 27-05-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wee G

I'm not refferring to losing bodyfat giving the appearance of being more muscular. I'm referring to actual gains in muscle mass.

Point out where you disagree with these statements...I would answer 2yes" to all of them.

Does CV increase metabolic rate?

Does protein turnover increase with increases in metabolic rate?

Does increased protein turnover equate to greater gains in muscle mass, assuming all else is equal?

If you answer yes to all of these, then CV aids in increasing muscle mass! If you you dont answer yes to them all, tell me why?

G - do you have any studies to hand on Protein turnover etc. I'm being lazy and avoiding pubmed lol

Wee G · 27-05-2008, 10:58 PM

Protein turnover and what? CV? BMR?

cheers,
G

TH&S · 27-05-2008, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wee G

Protein turnover and what? CV? BMR?

cheers,
G

Both mate if you can. In vivo or it vitro studies are both fine

20-05-2008, 04:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
Wee G Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 367	Re: cv training "....come on are you really saying that you can do as much cv as you like without losing mass" Im saying if you do the right amount of CV you will gain MORE muscle mass, and be leaner, than if you do none. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

21-05-2008, 09:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
brett the heart Gym Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: WIRRAL Posts: 109	Re: cv training no you wont gain more muscle mass sorry have to disagree mate. the cardio cuts the fat and helps shed exess waterin whicth will help define the muscle more cos less fat covering the muscle. here rite why do body builders shave there heads. yeh makes you look biggeryou get a man with full head of hair and a bald man both the size measurements exactly. i know the bald man will look bigger.cv cuts fat giving more def to muscle.

21-05-2008, 05:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
Wee G Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 367	Re: cv training I'm not refferring to losing bodyfat giving the appearance of being more muscular. I'm referring to actual gains in muscle mass. Point out where you disagree with these statements...I would answer 2yes" to all of them. Does CV increase metabolic rate? Does protein turnover increase with increases in metabolic rate? Does increased protein turnover equate to greater gains in muscle mass, assuming all else is equal? If you answer yes to all of these, then CV aids in increasing muscle mass! If you you dont answer yes to them all, tell me why? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

21-05-2008, 06:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
Toop Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dukinfield Posts: 8	Re: cv training Hahaha, get out of that 1

23-05-2008, 10:56 PM	#24 (permalink)
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24-05-2008, 09:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
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25-05-2008, 03:56 PM	#26 (permalink)
miles2345 took a week to recover from quads, the cold bath did the trick last night!! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: TORQUAY Posts: 703	Re: cv training sorry mate but cardio and fat burn are two totally different things and occur at different %ages of you maximum heart rate. Cardio vascular work has huge benefits to increasing the body's efficiency in supplying the muscles with oxygenated blood and nutrients whilst training and post training. Fat bur occurs at a much lower heart rate, cardio doesnt make you burn fat and fat burn doesn't help your cv fitness, and if there is any effect at all it isnt worth mentioning

25-05-2008, 09:12 PM	#27 (permalink)
Wee G Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 367	Re: cv training Miles, Actually CV work performed at a higher % max HR has a MASSIVE fat burning effect, far greater than performing lower % MHR work (traditional "fat burn" work). Lower intensity work burns greater fat as a percentage of total calories burned, but much lower total calories, and indeed less total calories from fat, than higher intensity work. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

27-05-2008, 10:58 PM	#29 (permalink)
Wee G Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 367	Re: cv training Protein turnover and what? CV? BMR? cheers, G __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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