Deca-Durabolin - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Jock · 03-02-2004, 03:01 PM

DECA-DURABOLIN -

Deca-Durabolin is a brand name of Organon Company, the manufacturer of the drug containing the substance nandrolone decanoate. Although nandrolone decanoate is still contained in many generic compounds, almost every athlete connects this substance with Deca-Durabolin. Most common are the administrations of 5 0 mg/ml and 100 mg/ml. Deca-Durabolin is the most widespread and most commonly used injectable steroid. Deca's large popularity can be attributed to its numerous possible applications and, for its mostly positive results. Deca-Durabolin causes the muscle cell to store more nitrogen than it releases so that a positive nitrogen balance is achieved. A positive ni-trogen balance is synonymous with muscle growth since the muscle cell, in this phase, assimilates (accumulates) a larger amount of protein than usual. The same manufacturer, however, points out on the package insert that a positive nitrogen balance and the protein building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. One should know this since, otherwise, satisfying results with Deca cannot be obtained. The highly ana-bolic effect of Deca-Durabolin is linked to a moderately androgenic component, so that a good gain in muscle mass and strength is obtained. At the same time, most athletes notice considerable water retention which, no doubt, is not as distinct as that with injectable testosterones but which in high doses can also cause a smooth and watery appearance. Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin. Athletes use Deca, depending on their needs, for muscle buildup and in preparation for a competition.

Deca is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2-mg/pound body weight. Those who take a dose of less than 200 mg/week will usually feel only a very light anabolic effect which, however, increases with a higher dosage. Most male athletes experience good results by taking 400 mg/week. Steroid novices usually need only 200 mg/week. Deca works very well for muscle buildup when combined with Dianabol and Testosterone. The famous Dianabol/ Deca stack results in a a fast and strong gain in muscle mass. Most athletes usually take 15-40 mg Dianabol/day and 200-400 mg Deca/week. Even faster results can be achieved with 400 mg Deca/week and 500 mg 5ustanon 250/week. Athletes report an enormous gain in strength and muscle mass when taking 400 mg Deca/week, 500 mg Sustanon 250/week, and 30 mg Dianabol/day. Deca is a good basic steroid which, for muscle buildup, can be combined with many other steroids.

A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but occurs at a lower rate than ex: testosterone. During competitions with doping tests Deca must not be taken since the metabo-lites in the body can be proven in a urine analysis up to 18 months later. The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estro-gen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex. A preparatory stack often observed in competing athletes includes 400 mg/week Deca-Durabolin, 50 mg/day Winstrol, 228 mg/week Parabolan, and 25 mg/day Oxandrolone.

Although the side effects with Deca are relatively low with dosages of 400 mg/week, androgenic caused side effects can occur. Most problems manifest themselves in high blood pressure and a pro-longed time for blood clotting, which can cause frequent nasal bleeding and prolonged bleeding of cuts, as well as increased production of the sebaceous gland and occasional acne. Some athletes also report headaches and sexual overstimulation. When very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period, spermatogenesis can be in-hibited in men, i.e. the testes produce less testosterone. The reason is that Deca-Durabolin, like almost all steroids, inhibits the release of gonadotropins from the hypophysis.

Women with a dosage of up to 100 mg/week usually experience no major problems with Deca. At higher dosages androgenic caused virilization symptoms can occur, including deep voice (irreversible), increased growth of body hair, acne, increased libido, and possibly clitorihypertrophy. Women who experience disturbance even at a weekly dose of only 50 mg/week of Deca-Durabolin, are often better off taking the earlier-mentioned and faster-acting Durabolin. Unlike the long-acting Deca, when Durabolin is administered once or twice weekly in a dosage of 50 mg, no concentration of undesired amounts of androgens occur. Since most female athletes get on well with Deca-Durabolin a dose of Deca 50 mg +/week is usually com-bined with Oxandrolone 10 mg +/day Both compounds, when taken in a low dosage, are only slightly androgenic so that masculinizing side effects only rarely occur. Deca, through its increased protein synthesis, also leads to a net muscle gain and Oxandrolone, based on the increased phosphocreatine synthesis, leads to a measurable strength gain with very low water retention. Other variations of administration used by female athletes are Deca and Winstrol tablets, as well as Deca and Primobolan S-tablets.

A great disadvantage of Deca-Durabolin is its high price. In the U.S. a 50 mg ampule costs approx. $10 - 12. Deca-Durabolin in strengths of 200 mg/2 ml ampules; usually cost around $30 per ampule. Because of its great popularity and the high demand that goes along with it, there are many fakes of Deca-Durabolin.

Substance: nandrolone decanoate
Trade Names:
Anaboline 50 mg/ml; Adelco GR
Androlone-D 200 (o.c.) 200 mg/ml; Keene U.S.
Deca-Durabolin 25 mg/ml; Bender A; Donmed South Africa; Organon G, B, CH, D
Deca-Durabolin 50 mg/ml; Organon G, B, CH, DK, ES, FR, GB,U.S, GR, 1, ML, P
Deca-Durabolin '100' 100 mg/ml; Organon NL
Deca-Durabolin 100 mg/ml; Organon GB, GR, Fl, Canada, U.S., Steris U.S.
Deca-Durabolin 200 mg/ml; Steris U.S.
Deca-Durabol 25, 50, 100 mg/ml; Organon S
Elpihormo 50 mg/ml; Chemica GR
Extraboline 50, ml; Genepharm GR
Hybolin Decanoate 50, 100 mg/Ml; Hyrex U.S.
Jebolan 50 mg/ml; Etem TK
Nandrolone Dec. 50, 100, 200 mg/nil; Steris U.S.
Nandrol. Dec. (o.c.) 100 mg/ml; Lyphomed Us, Quad U.S.
Nandrobolic L.A. (o.c.) 100 mg/ml; Forest U.S.
Neo-Durabolic (o.c.) 100, 200 mg/ml; Hauck U.S.
Nurezan 50 mg/ml; RafarmGR
Retabolil 25 mg/ml; Gedeon Richter U,BG
Retabolil 50 mg/ml; Gedeon Richter HU,BG
Retabolin 50 mg/ml; Medexport Russia
Sterobolin (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Orion FL
Turinabol Depot (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Jenapharm G
Turinabol Depot 50 mg/ml; Jenapharm BG, CZ
Ziremilon 50 mg/ml; Demo GR
Veterinary: Anabolicum 25 mg/ml; 10 ml/50 ml Bela-Pharm G
Nandrolone 300 mg/ml; Ttokkyo Labs
Norandren 50 50 mg/ml; 10 ml/50 MI. Brovel Mexico

Mac · 07-07-2004, 03:12 PM

Hi Jock

Very interesting articale. I was wondering if you knew anything about this derivative of Deca. This will be my second cylce, but first injecting. Can you help me out here?

Nandrolone Phylproprionate: Durabol 1000mg (100mg p/ml) - British Dragon

Thanks alot

Mac

**big pete** · 07-07-2004, 05:09 PM

NPP is a short acting deca, to be used EOD or E3D

can still be detected upto a year later thou, so avoid if testing is an issue

Mac · 08-07-2004, 10:05 AM

Hi Big Pete

Would you consider it is a safe steroid to acheive the below goals?

My goal is:

*modest gains - without losing after cycle.
*low sides
*no drastic change in appearance
*few injections
*increase in strength
*no/low water retention

If you could let me know what the sides would be, and how to contact them, that would be great.

Can I get someone to help me with a cycle for Durabolon (including all of the additional substances needed - anti-e's, winny etc)

Cheers Big Pete.

I am learning alot on these forums.

Mac

**big pete** · 09-07-2004, 09:02 AM

TBH i wouldnt use NPP or deca myself.

if you are planning a longish cycle, then EQ would be my med of choice combained with test

if your intent on using NPP then get hold of some proviron and nolvadex for anti-e's and combine with test propionate

Mac · 09-07-2004, 09:50 AM

Big Pete

Decided to go for the EQ 400mg over 10 weeks after getting plenty of advice (800mg 1st day). Will I need to use Nolva during and after this cycle? How much mate?

And I am currently 2 weeks in to a 50mg ED cycle of Anavar - can I continue this with the EQ?

Thanks mate!!!

Mac

**big pete** · 09-07-2004, 12:09 PM

how long you running the var for? prob best to use as 2 seperate courses. recover from the var then go into the EQ+test.

dose and duration look spot on

nolva really can only be used for gyno symptoms or prevention. get hold of some proviron, but thats only if you are worried about water bloat (which you wont get from EQ, im assuming youll use some form of test with it? )

Mac · 09-07-2004, 12:34 PM

No Pete

Was not going to use test - too scared to take anything else with the EQ. You are not the first to recommend it though!!!! Will I get the gyno with EQ?
Mac

**big pete** · 09-07-2004, 12:40 PM

i believe that EQ alone cannot aggrevate or cause gyno

400mg/week of eq isnt much at all. if you think its got a long ester attatched to it (3 weeks) then it has a cumulative effect and never goin above 400mg/week

if you are on 50mg var/day then thats 350mg/week alone!!!!!!!

even if you only add 250mg of sust or enanthate youll have much better results, and (id say) no more sides, which can only be a bonus!!!

Mac · 09-07-2004, 12:45 PM

How about 400mg EQ every 5 days then? or 500mg EG every 7 days?

Can you explain what you mean by the cumalitive effect of EQ??

I know what you saying is good advice, but I am just too chicken to do it...........

Is there anything I can tweak without injecting anything else - Winstrol etc????

Thanks for this BigPete

Mac

**big pete** · 09-07-2004, 12:54 PM

id stick with 400mg/week

as a cumulative effect..... obv EQ has a very long halflife, so although you use 800 in the first week, not all 800 is in the blood stream doin its job maybe only 200-250mg. then still from that first shot, the second week its releasing more active ingredient. but your also putting an extra 400mg that week. and again that 1st shot is realeasing on the 3rd week. and the 2nd weeks EQ is realeasing more etc etc

does it make sense? im no teacher so im not that good at explaining. i make more sense in my own head lol

Mac · 09-07-2004, 01:03 PM

no BPete - I get what you mean!! It was just fine as an explination.

So, at about week 3, I should start feeling some affect from the substance, and it should continue to work, while decreasing steadily, 1-3 weeks after the last jab. That's when I start my PCT i guess - 3 weeks after the last jab.

Mac

**big pete** · 09-07-2004, 05:08 PM

exactly!!!!!!!

frontload helps acheive peak concentration quicker. bout week 3-4 is bout right, and 3 weeks after the last shot is PCT

jago25_98 · 09-07-2004, 07:32 PM

"The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estro-gen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex"

^ Deca causes oestro' and proges' to rise unlike other 'riods so while you can block the effect of oestro' the proges' will remain and may still cause gyno so still watch for this. AFAIK the effect of proges' can't be blocked.

It took me ages to relise that Deca influences 3 sex hormones unlike the other 'roids; Test, Oestrogen and Progestrone <- prog something anyway, all that matter is that it's female

winger · 09-07-2004, 09:05 PM

Hard as hell on the hpta also. I know kept my tes levels down for 9 months :o

03-02-2004, 03:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jock LEAGUE LEGEND! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 3,020	Deca-Durabolin DECA-DURABOLIN - Deca-Durabolin is a brand name of Organon Company, the manufacturer of the drug containing the substance nandrolone decanoate. Although nandrolone decanoate is still contained in many generic compounds, almost every athlete connects this substance with Deca-Durabolin. Most common are the administrations of 5 0 mg/ml and 100 mg/ml. Deca-Durabolin is the most widespread and most commonly used injectable steroid. Deca's large popularity can be attributed to its numerous possible applications and, for its mostly positive results. Deca-Durabolin causes the muscle cell to store more nitrogen than it releases so that a positive nitrogen balance is achieved. A positive ni-trogen balance is synonymous with muscle growth since the muscle cell, in this phase, assimilates (accumulates) a larger amount of protein than usual. The same manufacturer, however, points out on the package insert that a positive nitrogen balance and the protein building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. One should know this since, otherwise, satisfying results with Deca cannot be obtained. The highly ana-bolic effect of Deca-Durabolin is linked to a moderately androgenic component, so that a good gain in muscle mass and strength is obtained. At the same time, most athletes notice considerable water retention which, no doubt, is not as distinct as that with injectable testosterones but which in high doses can also cause a smooth and watery appearance. Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin. Athletes use Deca, depending on their needs, for muscle buildup and in preparation for a competition. Deca is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2-mg/pound body weight. Those who take a dose of less than 200 mg/week will usually feel only a very light anabolic effect which, however, increases with a higher dosage. Most male athletes experience good results by taking 400 mg/week. Steroid novices usually need only 200 mg/week. Deca works very well for muscle buildup when combined with Dianabol and Testosterone. The famous Dianabol/ Deca stack results in a a fast and strong gain in muscle mass. Most athletes usually take 15-40 mg Dianabol/day and 200-400 mg Deca/week. Even faster results can be achieved with 400 mg Deca/week and 500 mg 5ustanon 250/week. Athletes report an enormous gain in strength and muscle mass when taking 400 mg Deca/week, 500 mg Sustanon 250/week, and 30 mg Dianabol/day. Deca is a good basic steroid which, for muscle buildup, can be combined with many other steroids. A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but occurs at a lower rate than ex: testosterone. During competitions with doping tests Deca must not be taken since the metabo-lites in the body can be proven in a urine analysis up to 18 months later. The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estro-gen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex. A preparatory stack often observed in competing athletes includes 400 mg/week Deca-Durabolin, 50 mg/day Winstrol, 228 mg/week Parabolan, and 25 mg/day Oxandrolone. Although the side effects with Deca are relatively low with dosages of 400 mg/week, androgenic caused side effects can occur. Most problems manifest themselves in high blood pressure and a pro-longed time for blood clotting, which can cause frequent nasal bleeding and prolonged bleeding of cuts, as well as increased production of the sebaceous gland and occasional acne. Some athletes also report headaches and sexual overstimulation. When very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period, spermatogenesis can be in-hibited in men, i.e. the testes produce less testosterone. The reason is that Deca-Durabolin, like almost all steroids, inhibits the release of gonadotropins from the hypophysis. Women with a dosage of up to 100 mg/week usually experience no major problems with Deca. At higher dosages androgenic caused virilization symptoms can occur, including deep voice (irreversible), increased growth of body hair, acne, increased libido, and possibly clitorihypertrophy. Women who experience disturbance even at a weekly dose of only 50 mg/week of Deca-Durabolin, are often better off taking the earlier-mentioned and faster-acting Durabolin. Unlike the long-acting Deca, when Durabolin is administered once or twice weekly in a dosage of 50 mg, no concentration of undesired amounts of androgens occur. Since most female athletes get on well with Deca-Durabolin a dose of Deca 50 mg +/week is usually com-bined with Oxandrolone 10 mg +/day Both compounds, when taken in a low dosage, are only slightly androgenic so that masculinizing side effects only rarely occur. Deca, through its increased protein synthesis, also leads to a net muscle gain and Oxandrolone, based on the increased phosphocreatine synthesis, leads to a measurable strength gain with very low water retention. Other variations of administration used by female athletes are Deca and Winstrol tablets, as well as Deca and Primobolan S-tablets. A great disadvantage of Deca-Durabolin is its high price. In the U.S. a 50 mg ampule costs approx. $10 - 12. Deca-Durabolin in strengths of 200 mg/2 ml ampules; usually cost around $30 per ampule. Because of its great popularity and the high demand that goes along with it, there are many fakes of Deca-Durabolin. Substance: nandrolone decanoate Trade Names: Anaboline 50 mg/ml; Adelco GR Androlone-D 200 (o.c.) 200 mg/ml; Keene U.S. Deca-Durabolin 25 mg/ml; Bender A; Donmed South Africa; Organon G, B, CH, D Deca-Durabolin 50 mg/ml; Organon G, B, CH, DK, ES, FR, GB,U.S, GR, 1, ML, P Deca-Durabolin '100' 100 mg/ml; Organon NL Deca-Durabolin 100 mg/ml; Organon GB, GR, Fl, Canada, U.S., Steris U.S. Deca-Durabolin 200 mg/ml; Steris U.S. Deca-Durabol 25, 50, 100 mg/ml; Organon S Elpihormo 50 mg/ml; Chemica GR Extraboline 50, ml; Genepharm GR Hybolin Decanoate 50, 100 mg/Ml; Hyrex U.S. Jebolan 50 mg/ml; Etem TK Nandrolone Dec. 50, 100, 200 mg/nil; Steris U.S. Nandrol. Dec. (o.c.) 100 mg/ml; Lyphomed Us, Quad U.S. Nandrobolic L.A. (o.c.) 100 mg/ml; Forest U.S. Neo-Durabolic (o.c.) 100, 200 mg/ml; Hauck U.S. Nurezan 50 mg/ml; RafarmGR Retabolil 25 mg/ml; Gedeon Richter U,BG Retabolil 50 mg/ml; Gedeon Richter HU,BG Retabolin 50 mg/ml; Medexport Russia Sterobolin (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Orion FL Turinabol Depot (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Jenapharm G Turinabol Depot 50 mg/ml; Jenapharm BG, CZ Ziremilon 50 mg/ml; Demo GR Veterinary: Anabolicum 25 mg/ml; 10 ml/50 ml Bela-Pharm G Nandrolone 300 mg/ml; Ttokkyo Labs Norandren 50 50 mg/ml; 10 ml/50 MI. Brovel Mexico __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-07-2004, 05:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	NPP is a short acting deca, to be used EOD or E3D can still be detected upto a year later thou, so avoid if testing is an issue __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

09-07-2004, 09:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	TBH i wouldnt use NPP or deca myself. if you are planning a longish cycle, then EQ would be my med of choice combained with test if your intent on using NPP then get hold of some proviron and nolvadex for anti-e's and combine with test propionate __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

09-07-2004, 12:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	how long you running the var for? prob best to use as 2 seperate courses. recover from the var then go into the EQ+test. dose and duration look spot on nolva really can only be used for gyno symptoms or prevention. get hold of some proviron, but thats only if you are worried about water bloat (which you wont get from EQ, im assuming youll use some form of test with it? ) __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

09-07-2004, 12:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	i believe that EQ alone cannot aggrevate or cause gyno 400mg/week of eq isnt much at all. if you think its got a long ester attatched to it (3 weeks) then it has a cumulative effect and never goin above 400mg/week if you are on 50mg var/day then thats 350mg/week alone!!!!!!! even if you only add 250mg of sust or enanthate youll have much better results, and (id say) no more sides, which can only be a bonus!!! __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

07-07-2004, 03:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mac Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 262	Hi Jock Very interesting articale. I was wondering if you knew anything about this derivative of Deca. This will be my second cylce, but first injecting. Can you help me out here? Nandrolone Phylproprionate: Durabol 1000mg (100mg p/ml) - British Dragon Thanks alot Mac

08-07-2004, 10:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mac Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 262	Hi Big Pete Would you consider it is a safe steroid to acheive the below goals? My goal is: modest gains - without losing after cycle. low sides no drastic change in appearance few injections increase in strength no/low water retention If you could let me know what the sides would be, and how to contact them, that would be great. Can I get someone to help me with a cycle for Durabolon (including all of the additional substances needed - anti-e's, winny etc) Cheers Big Pete. I am learning alot on these forums. Mac

09-07-2004, 09:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mac Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 262	Big Pete Decided to go for the EQ 400mg over 10 weeks after getting plenty of advice (800mg 1st day). Will I need to use Nolva during and after this cycle? How much mate? And I am currently 2 weeks in to a 50mg ED cycle of Anavar - can I continue this with the EQ? Thanks mate!!! Mac

09-07-2004, 12:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mac Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 262	No Pete Was not going to use test - too scared to take anything else with the EQ. You are not the first to recommend it though!!!! Will I get the gyno with EQ? Mac

09-07-2004, 12:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mac Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 262	How about 400mg EQ every 5 days then? or 500mg EG every 7 days? Can you explain what you mean by the cumalitive effect of EQ?? I know what you saying is good advice, but I am just too chicken to do it........... Is there anything I can tweak without injecting anything else - Winstrol etc???? Thanks for this BigPete Mac

09-07-2004, 12:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	id stick with 400mg/week as a cumulative effect..... obv EQ has a very long halflife, so although you use 800 in the first week, not all 800 is in the blood stream doin its job maybe only 200-250mg. then still from that first shot, the second week its releasing more active ingredient. but your also putting an extra 400mg that week. and again that 1st shot is realeasing on the 3rd week. and the 2nd weeks EQ is realeasing more etc etc does it make sense? im no teacher so im not that good at explaining. i make more sense in my own head lol __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

09-07-2004, 01:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mac Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 262	no BPete - I get what you mean!! It was just fine as an explination. So, at about week 3, I should start feeling some affect from the substance, and it should continue to work, while decreasing steadily, 1-3 weeks after the last jab. That's when I start my PCT i guess - 3 weeks after the last jab. Mac

09-07-2004, 05:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	exactly!!!!!!! frontload helps acheive peak concentration quicker. bout week 3-4 is bout right, and 3 weeks after the last shot is PCT __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

09-07-2004, 07:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
jago25_98 Gym Addict Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 105	"The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estro-gen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex" ^ Deca causes oestro' and proges' to rise unlike other 'riods so while you can block the effect of oestro' the proges' will remain and may still cause gyno so still watch for this. AFAIK the effect of proges' can't be blocked. It took me ages to relise that Deca influences 3 sex hormones unlike the other 'roids; Test, Oestrogen and Progestrone <- prog something anyway, all that matter is that it's female

09-07-2004, 09:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,216 Blog Entries: 1	Hard as hell on the hpta also. I know kept my tes levels down for 9 months :o __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.