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damagedgoods · 29-12-2003, 08:25 AM

Guys - I know the importance of fluids...

The question I have is: is it OK to drink Milk insted of water... I am drinking about 4lts of milk per day - some with Protein powder (5pints) the rest without... I nevwe feel thirsty - and I don't drink coffee or tea very often - but I may only have about 1pt of water per day.... is this OK.... if not how do you guys manage to drink so much - I seem to need to go to the batroom every 10mins!

Bengdogg · 29-12-2003, 03:30 PM

Milk is ok if your looking to bulk but that is a lot of milk its gonna make you gain wieght eventually. Fluids is fluids i drink most of my water as squash (0cal stuff) cos water gets bland all the time

**hackskii** · 29-12-2003, 07:10 PM

Wow, that is too much milk.

The protein in milk, called casein, irritates many people's immune systems. This is the component of milk that stimulates mucus production. Casein is often associated with allergic conditions such as recurrent ear infections in early life, eczema, chronic bronchitis, asthma, and sinus conditions.

Most commercial milk also contains residues from drugs, hormones, and chemicals used to keep modern dairy cows producing abundantly.

I would drink more water. 64 oz a day is what is recommended. Better to split that up too. Not guzzle.
If you just cant do it then thin out the milk with water and then you will get your fill.
You probably dont eat much do you? I know my daughter drinks lots of milk and juice and she eats like a bird. She wont drink water unless she see's me do it. She is 4.

Bengdogg · 29-12-2003, 08:02 PM

Actually upon re reading 4-5litres is a lot sorry i thought it said pints which is what i consume some days! Hakisak has gone into far more detail than i could of and raised some good points.

**hackskii** · 29-12-2003, 10:52 PM

Well lets just look at this. 2% milk the numbers would look like this:
over 2100 total Calories
Fat= 750 calories
Carbs= 220
protein= 170
I would rather you get your numbers from more food and less milk.
2100 calories is the standard for a normal person.
I would cut that into about 1/4 of what you are drinking and add some good quality fruits, vegtables and proteins. You just might notice a diffrence.
I have heard of people losing weight on just a milk diet alone. Now these are people that want to lose weight. The only drawback is constipation.
Sorry, just my 2 cents worth.

damagedgoods · 30-12-2003, 09:52 AM

I Appreciate the feedback...

My diet is normally as follows:

6am - 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
9.00am - 4 whole eggs (free range - got my own chickens ;)) 3 peices of white bread and 1 pt of milk
11.00am 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
1.00pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
3.00pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
4.30pm Gym (on training days) - 1ltr of water
6.00pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk (sometimes I use n-large2)
7.00pm Dinner, this is normally somthing like quiche, or chicken and mixed veg and 1pt of milk
8.00pm 1pt water or squash (lime or elderflower)
9.30pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk then bed

If I have to go into london for work (about twice a week) then it looks like this:
6am - 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
7.30am - 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
9am - chicken strips (from the station - Deli Chic)
@11.30am - metrex bar or similar
1pm - lunch - M&S chicken, maybe a salad or other takeaway food or go for a curry.
3-pm protein bar
6.30 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk
7.30 Dinner, quiche, or chicken, pizza or whatever and mixed veg and 1pt of milk
8.00pm 1pt water or squash (lime or elderflower)
9.30pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk then bed

also take sea kelp, Alfalfa and a multivit (sanatogen gold)

I find that my skin is normaly pretty good except if I am taking tren and EQ then my back looks like an asteroid.... I do find it hard to eat much... I can eat a big breakfast...

fortuneatly I don't seem to have any alergic reactions to it... I also find it helps keep my hearburn under control.... as I have a hiatus hernia (5cms) and suffer from very bad reflux...

this is the first time I've sat down and written what I normally eat... and i can see some problems... need much more veg in there....

Bengdogg · 30-12-2003, 11:08 AM

You are using a hell of a lot of whey there! 12 scoops a daY!!! you must be a millionaire :P why not have 1 scoop of whey in water and then have 3 or 4 weetabix in skimmed milk for break fast change the white bread for wholemeal in the afternoon your gonna need some propper food (its no wonder your always going the toilet drinking so much whey and so little food).

Tbh you are relying to much on suppliments have a jacket spud with cottage chees or tuna for a snak a bit of chicken breast and a yoghurt. Before bed i would have some kind of whey in milk with a little oil at least ideally a tub of cottage cheese or a yoghurt and i would add some fruit to your diet. Just my opppinions lets see what Hakisack can offer I am sure he will agree your using too many sups

Bengdogg · 30-12-2003, 11:08 AM

also straight after the gym have your post workout whey in water and then take on some carbs and looking at yourt tea (evening meal dinner or whatever) I would make sure there is veg with it cos like you said your lacking veg in your diet something im a lil guilty of myself.

DB · 30-12-2003, 02:43 PM

all those shakes are good man but you need more solids, fruit and veg aswell for your digestive system, its all well and good havin all that protein but only if your body can process it. but sayin that i bet you need all that milk to help mend all ur broken bones! check out the injuries thread for his accidents!

Bengdogg · 30-12-2003, 02:55 PM

Ohhh! nasty stuff! iwas involved in an accident this year as a passenger and i think having stronger muscles and a thicker neck helped me to walk away my mate suffered more than me

**hackskii** · 30-12-2003, 04:07 PM

I counted somewhere over 600 grams of protein.
Not only is that expensive but that is the most food I have ever seen anyone eat. You must be well over 6' and like 300 lbs. How could a guy eat that much? You must spend hundreds a week on food.
They have seen really good results in protein cycling, this is where you up your protein for a period of time then back it down. If your uptake of protein is alot for a long period of time then your metabolism using enzymes breaks it down really fast. In essence you are a protein burning furnice. Sounds good but that part is not actually good. Protein cycling is good to do but you are on a cycle right now and would wait till after the cycle. I will look around for that article by Bill Phyllips. It is a good article.
Other than that I would drop some of that milk for solid nutrients (fresh fruts and vege's).

damagedgoods · 31-12-2003, 09:23 AM

Guys - thx again for the feedback....

That Bill philips article would be really good to see, I have seen his website and loads of ads but on the whole I am suspicious of this type of thing as it seems that people liek us are always being conned by either supplement co.s or people with the greatest training system ever - 'get 20" arms in 21 days' bull**** that you see everywhere, I am sure that there are honest peopel out there selling good ideas - but it is hard to see the wood for the trees - so hackskii any info u think is worthwhile plse let me know!
....

I agree 600+g of protein would be pretty difficult to sonsume..... when I say 3 scoops of powder I mena the standardscoops found in the reflex product not the jumbo ones like in N-large2...

I get through 5lbs every two weeks - and it works out at approx 30grams per serving (not including the milk) I'd say I get approx 370g per day from milk and protein powder.... which is a lot more than I thought!

I currently am 230-235Lbs and u may have guessed it am bulking at the moment...

My cycle ends this week - I have started to load up on creatine (first time I've done this) and then I will be doing ECA for 2 weeks followed by Clen for 2 weeks over 8 weeks in total as well as clomid and will be having a couple of shots of HCG to help kick my system back to life... then I think it will be time to start a new stack - it will be abombs, decca and a test... followed by some winny...

am pretty happy with the progress I have made and have hit all the targets I had set for myself this year... after not training for 8 years I got back into things pretty well, then got injured by the wife's horse..... and lost quite a bit of my gains... but since end of july have put on 45lbs and have put gone from 300- 500lbs on my squat... (I only wish I could say the same thing about my bench!).....

**robdog** · 31-12-2003, 03:50 PM

well said about all the tossers trying to con bodybuilders out of there cash

**hackskii** · 31-12-2003, 04:38 PM

I will look for it.

Creatine I would start after your cycle.
I would not do any eca's or clen yet. You will lose some water and some weight. I would still lift kindof heavy and let your body come back slow without diet for a month or 2.
I am not sure a couple of shots of HCG will help. there is alot of schools of thought on that one but here is my 2 cents worth.
Wait 3 weeks after your last shot or when ever the half life of the AAS you are taking. Take the HCG every day @ 500-1000 IU's At the 500 it will last you 20 days with the 1000 it will last you 10 days. It will go bad if you dont use it so you might as well use it all. At day 4 of the HCG I would either take nolvadex or clomid for 14-30 days.
Honistly, my post cycle I did clomid alone and the nuts were small for months. So I decided to do the HCG @ 1000 for 10 days and took the clomid day 4 of the HCG shot.
Now depending on the day, my nuts are either still skinny or really fat, like they are trying to do something. Sex drive is up and not moody and feel good. I am actually up at the gym.

robin_3_16 · 04-01-2004, 05:58 PM

post training take 100ml of milk and dilute with 100ml water
u got a small amount of protein straigh into the bloodstream, do this 3 or 4 times in the 1st 3 hours after training
apparentl;y is is really good for you

29-12-2003, 08:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
damagedgoods Looking Freaky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisbech Posts: 763	Water and Milk Guys - I know the importance of fluids... The question I have is: is it OK to drink Milk insted of water... I am drinking about 4lts of milk per day - some with Protein powder (5pints) the rest without... I nevwe feel thirsty - and I don't drink coffee or tea very often - but I may only have about 1pt of water per day.... is this OK.... if not how do you guys manage to drink so much - I seem to need to go to the batroom every 10mins!

29-12-2003, 03:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bengdogg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 68	Milk is ok if your looking to bulk but that is a lot of milk its gonna make you gain wieght eventually. Fluids is fluids i drink most of my water as squash (0cal stuff) cos water gets bland all the time __________________ I don't even feel it! Know da Dogg! http://bengdogg.4t.com/ Know da pain! http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=7843&hl=

29-12-2003, 07:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	Wow, that is too much milk. The protein in milk, called casein, irritates many people's immune systems. This is the component of milk that stimulates mucus production. Casein is often associated with allergic conditions such as recurrent ear infections in early life, eczema, chronic bronchitis, asthma, and sinus conditions. Most commercial milk also contains residues from drugs, hormones, and chemicals used to keep modern dairy cows producing abundantly. I would drink more water. 64 oz a day is what is recommended. Better to split that up too. Not guzzle. If you just cant do it then thin out the milk with water and then you will get your fill. You probably dont eat much do you? I know my daughter drinks lots of milk and juice and she eats like a bird. She wont drink water unless she see's me do it. She is 4. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 29-12-2003 at 07:14 PM.

29-12-2003, 08:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bengdogg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 68	Actually upon re reading 4-5litres is a lot sorry i thought it said pints which is what i consume some days! Hakisak has gone into far more detail than i could of and raised some good points. __________________ I don't even feel it! Know da Dogg! http://bengdogg.4t.com/ Know da pain! http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=7843&hl=

29-12-2003, 10:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	Well lets just look at this. 2% milk the numbers would look like this: over 2100 total Calories Fat= 750 calories Carbs= 220 protein= 170 I would rather you get your numbers from more food and less milk. 2100 calories is the standard for a normal person. I would cut that into about 1/4 of what you are drinking and add some good quality fruits, vegtables and proteins. You just might notice a diffrence. I have heard of people losing weight on just a milk diet alone. Now these are people that want to lose weight. The only drawback is constipation. Sorry, just my 2 cents worth. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-12-2003, 09:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
damagedgoods Looking Freaky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisbech Posts: 763	I Appreciate the feedback... My diet is normally as follows: 6am - 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 9.00am - 4 whole eggs (free range - got my own chickens ;)) 3 peices of white bread and 1 pt of milk 11.00am 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 1.00pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 3.00pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 4.30pm Gym (on training days) - 1ltr of water 6.00pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk (sometimes I use n-large2) 7.00pm Dinner, this is normally somthing like quiche, or chicken and mixed veg and 1pt of milk 8.00pm 1pt water or squash (lime or elderflower) 9.30pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk then bed If I have to go into london for work (about twice a week) then it looks like this: 6am - 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 7.30am - 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 9am - chicken strips (from the station - Deli Chic) @11.30am - metrex bar or similar 1pm - lunch - M&S chicken, maybe a salad or other takeaway food or go for a curry. 3-pm protein bar 6.30 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk 7.30 Dinner, quiche, or chicken, pizza or whatever and mixed veg and 1pt of milk 8.00pm 1pt water or squash (lime or elderflower) 9.30pm 3scoops of Reflex Instant whey in 1pt of milk then bed also take sea kelp, Alfalfa and a multivit (sanatogen gold) I find that my skin is normaly pretty good except if I am taking tren and EQ then my back looks like an asteroid.... I do find it hard to eat much... I can eat a big breakfast... fortuneatly I don't seem to have any alergic reactions to it... I also find it helps keep my hearburn under control.... as I have a hiatus hernia (5cms) and suffer from very bad reflux... this is the first time I've sat down and written what I normally eat... and i can see some problems... need much more veg in there.... Last edited by damagedgoods; 30-12-2003 at 10:01 AM.

30-12-2003, 11:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bengdogg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 68	You are using a hell of a lot of whey there! 12 scoops a daY!!! you must be a millionaire :P why not have 1 scoop of whey in water and then have 3 or 4 weetabix in skimmed milk for break fast change the white bread for wholemeal in the afternoon your gonna need some propper food (its no wonder your always going the toilet drinking so much whey and so little food). Tbh you are relying to much on suppliments have a jacket spud with cottage chees or tuna for a snak a bit of chicken breast and a yoghurt. Before bed i would have some kind of whey in milk with a little oil at least ideally a tub of cottage cheese or a yoghurt and i would add some fruit to your diet. Just my opppinions lets see what Hakisack can offer I am sure he will agree your using too many sups __________________ I don't even feel it! Know da Dogg! http://bengdogg.4t.com/ Know da pain! http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=7843&hl=

30-12-2003, 11:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bengdogg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 68	also straight after the gym have your post workout whey in water and then take on some carbs and looking at yourt tea (evening meal dinner or whatever) I would make sure there is veg with it cos like you said your lacking veg in your diet something im a lil guilty of myself. __________________ I don't even feel it! Know da Dogg! http://bengdogg.4t.com/ Know da pain! http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=7843&hl=

30-12-2003, 02:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
DB UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SW London Posts: 11,412	all those shakes are good man but you need more solids, fruit and veg aswell for your digestive system, its all well and good havin all that protein but only if your body can process it. but sayin that i bet you need all that milk to help mend all ur broken bones! check out the injuries thread for his accidents! __________________ DB To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. often imitated never duplicated To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. DB sleeps with a night light. Not because DB is afraid of the dark, but the dark is afraid of DB. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-12-2003, 02:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bengdogg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 68	Ohhh! nasty stuff! iwas involved in an accident this year as a passenger and i think having stronger muscles and a thicker neck helped me to walk away my mate suffered more than me __________________ I don't even feel it! Know da Dogg! http://bengdogg.4t.com/ Know da pain! http://www.fortifiediron.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=7843&hl=

30-12-2003, 04:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	I counted somewhere over 600 grams of protein. Not only is that expensive but that is the most food I have ever seen anyone eat. You must be well over 6' and like 300 lbs. How could a guy eat that much? You must spend hundreds a week on food. They have seen really good results in protein cycling, this is where you up your protein for a period of time then back it down. If your uptake of protein is alot for a long period of time then your metabolism using enzymes breaks it down really fast. In essence you are a protein burning furnice. Sounds good but that part is not actually good. Protein cycling is good to do but you are on a cycle right now and would wait till after the cycle. I will look around for that article by Bill Phyllips. It is a good article. Other than that I would drop some of that milk for solid nutrients (fresh fruts and vege's). __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

31-12-2003, 09:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
damagedgoods Looking Freaky Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisbech Posts: 763	Guys - thx again for the feedback.... That Bill philips article would be really good to see, I have seen his website and loads of ads but on the whole I am suspicious of this type of thing as it seems that people liek us are always being conned by either supplement co.s or people with the greatest training system ever - 'get 20" arms in 21 days' bull**** that you see everywhere, I am sure that there are honest peopel out there selling good ideas - but it is hard to see the wood for the trees - so hackskii any info u think is worthwhile plse let me know! .... I agree 600+g of protein would be pretty difficult to sonsume..... when I say 3 scoops of powder I mena the standardscoops found in the reflex product not the jumbo ones like in N-large2... I get through 5lbs every two weeks - and it works out at approx 30grams per serving (not including the milk) I'd say I get approx 370g per day from milk and protein powder.... which is a lot more than I thought! I currently am 230-235Lbs and u may have guessed it am bulking at the moment... My cycle ends this week - I have started to load up on creatine (first time I've done this) and then I will be doing ECA for 2 weeks followed by Clen for 2 weeks over 8 weeks in total as well as clomid and will be having a couple of shots of HCG to help kick my system back to life... then I think it will be time to start a new stack - it will be abombs, decca and a test... followed by some winny... am pretty happy with the progress I have made and have hit all the targets I had set for myself this year... after not training for 8 years I got back into things pretty well, then got injured by the wife's horse..... and lost quite a bit of my gains... but since end of july have put on 45lbs and have put gone from 300- 500lbs on my squat... (I only wish I could say the same thing about my bench!).....

31-12-2003, 03:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
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31-12-2003, 04:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	I will look for it. Creatine I would start after your cycle. I would not do any eca's or clen yet. You will lose some water and some weight. I would still lift kindof heavy and let your body come back slow without diet for a month or 2. I am not sure a couple of shots of HCG will help. there is alot of schools of thought on that one but here is my 2 cents worth. Wait 3 weeks after your last shot or when ever the half life of the AAS you are taking. Take the HCG every day @ 500-1000 IU's At the 500 it will last you 20 days with the 1000 it will last you 10 days. It will go bad if you dont use it so you might as well use it all. At day 4 of the HCG I would either take nolvadex or clomid for 14-30 days. Honistly, my post cycle I did clomid alone and the nuts were small for months. So I decided to do the HCG @ 1000 for 10 days and took the clomid day 4 of the HCG shot. Now depending on the day, my nuts are either still skinny or really fat, like they are trying to do something. Sex drive is up and not moody and feel good. I am actually up at the gym. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-01-2004, 05:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
robin_3_16 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,461	post training take 100ml of milk and dilute with 100ml water u got a small amount of protein straigh into the bloodstream, do this 3 or 4 times in the 1st 3 hours after training apparentl;y is is really good for you __________________ Robin