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SA12 · 09-02-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefX

gotcha
no worries then

;)

McRoNiX · 09-02-2005, 05:04 PM

Chef..
You talk about how much I am losing out from the health benefits from eating meat, but at the same time a vegetarian diet provides a wide range of health benefits.
Research shows that vegetarians suffer less from many of the dieases associated with the typical Western diet, including obesity, coronary heart disease, hypertension, type II diabetes, diet-related cancers, diverticular disease, constipation and gall stones. A typical vegetarian diet reflects most of the dietary recommendations for healthy eating, being low in saturated fat and high in fibre, complex carbohydrates, and fresh fruit and vegetables.
So it has good and bad points. I acknowledge the fact that it is not ideal for muscle building but I remain confident that I will get substantial gain with a good diet (which I will continue to correct) and training.
As to all the pH stuff...**WHOOSH** over my head :confused:

ChefX · 09-02-2005, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRoNiX

Chef..
You talk about how much I am losing out from the health benefits from eating meat, but at the same time a vegetarian diet provides a wide range of health benefits.
Research shows that vegetarians suffer less from many of the dieases associated with the typical Western diet, including obesity, coronary heart disease, hypertension, type II diabetes, diet-related cancers, diverticular disease, constipation and gall stones. A typical vegetarian diet reflects most of the dietary recommendations for healthy eating, being low in saturated fat and high in fibre, complex carbohydrates, and fresh fruit and vegetables.
So it has good and bad points. I acknowledge the fact that it is not ideal for muscle building but I remain confident that I will get substantial gain with a good diet (which I will continue to correct) and training.
As to all the pH stuff...**WHOOSH** over my head :confused:

Actually research doesnt show that. Research shows the lifestyle differences of those who eat vegetarian clean (as in unprocessed foods aka more fruits and vegies) is better than someone who doesn't eat clean and meats. (your comparing two entirely different things, not meat or no meat but clean or not aka unprocessed or not aka fresh or mcdonalds)
When you compare things you have to compare them logically, if you eat clean and meats it actually shows the greatest benefits of any diets. You have to compare diets of the same calories as well and most vegetarian diets are very low calories hence the benfits of undereating show more promise than overeating not the vegetarian lifestyle. I used to go balistic in school when the vegies would start to tout a study and I'd tear it up, I can't compare fuels by using racing fuel in a yugo and low octane in a bmw. they just don't compare. Follow?

Typically a "clean" vegetaraian diet benefits most in society who are sedentary, but when you switch to an active lifestyle the need for "clean" diets that include meats is paramount.

compare two diets, same ratios (lets say isocaloric) same calories (lets say 12 times bodyweight) same activity (lets say a walker who lifts weights for health 3 times a week) and same risks/stresses. You will find that the clean meat eating will show you less dis-ease and better health than the vegie diet 99% of the time. I have participated in these studies and as such they are used as the base for extreme performance laboratory testing now. aka the gold standard. My diet mimiks this almost 100% for that reaons.

BUT as I said, its a choice, so I wil help you make the best choices i can with what YOU want to eat.

Cheers

McRoNiX · 09-02-2005, 05:30 PM

I appreciate that. The probem with non-vegetarians is they are sucked into eating food sources such as kfc and mcdonalds a lot more than vegetarians as there is more available.
Another reason I feel almost "proud" to be a veggie is a more global view.
Vegetables are a more efficient source of protein than meat. 40 per cent of today's world grain production is used to feed meat-producing livestock.

Something for everyone to think about

ChefX · 09-02-2005, 05:31 PM

wasn't sure if I should continue to post on this, so this will be my last post on this topic here

cookie
The kidneys clear or adjust the ph first pass/++, what is urine is not blood.
The ph of the blood adjusts very very very fast and for a reason, you die if it doesn't.
Otherwise we could use nitrogen strips to test for proten levels in the blood. (remember that gimmik from weider LOL)
You have to pull blood samples and in the case of ph a sample every minute over 1 hour to see the change. it is extremely small and is a sighn of kidney damage when it does show up. (with advanced athletes we now pull muscle biopsies to check these levels as well as blood test, urine samples are only used to see kidney function)

(support for you) NOW eating extreme on ph can effect the body as in stress the system, but we actully have found that low ph aka alkaline is worse as most protein foods come out undigested (it screws with the stomachs ability to digest proteins). the body handles a higher acidic environement better than low (in moderate cases, there are exceptions aka as you pointed out acid reflux indegestion).

ChefX · 09-02-2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRoNiX

I appreciate that. The probem with non-vegetarians is they are sucked into eating food sources such as kfc and mcdonalds a lot more than vegetarians as there is more available.
Another reason I feel almost "proud" to be a veggie is a more global view.
Vegetables are a more efficient source of protein than meat. 40 per cent of today's world grain production is used to feed meat-producing livestock.

Something for everyone to think about

Hence the wealthy eat meat and the poor don't. Here in the USA they throw away grain and corn because the produce more than they can use. (they feed it to the masses as corn syrup the worst food on the planet for health reasons) Eventually that will come to a stop (we hope).

There are substitutes that help in the vegetarian situation
I mentioned them before
milk, whey, cottage cheese, yogurt
but again its dairy and some people will not eat it.
Some things can't be substituted for aka fish oils and fish, but you have to make do.

I have a project where I commisioned a film producer to do a documentary on a program I created (my fast food diatia - release in the fall after the law suits LOL). The people only get to eat mcdonalds for 30 days just like in "super size me" but they have to eat it the way I designed (my menu selections) and they have to follow my exercise routine, the results are the opposite of what people would expect. Their BP levels, cholesterol, trioglicerides, bodyfat attitude is, well put it this way, most people would pay big money to be as healthy or liook as good as they do after the experiment.

SportDr · 09-02-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRoNiX

Research shows that vegetarians suffer less from many of the dieases associated with the typical Western diet, including obesity, coronary heart disease, hypertension, type II diabetes, diet-related cancers, diverticular disease, constipation and gall stones.

The studies you are quoting are comparing to people over-eating a typical western diet. You don't get any of these problems with a balanced diet containing meat.

If you over ate vegetarian food you could very well end up with worse. Government statistics can be looked at in so many different ways.

SD

McRoNiX · 09-02-2005, 05:54 PM

I fail to believe that by eating nothing but mcdonalds for 30 days your health would not suffer. The meat quality alone is terrible.

McRoNiX · 09-02-2005, 06:02 PM

So.. anyways, more eggs, milk, cottage cheese, yoghurt. All things I'm trying to do. what about flax seed oil?

ChefX · 09-02-2005, 06:11 PM

IMHO
flax should only be used in conjunction with ala and
only if you will not take fish oils.
You need around 120g of flax to equal the
12g of fish oils I suggest for optimal levels.

(Those extra calories from the flax have to be taken back out of the other fat choices in the diet to keep the balance.)
(plus you need the butter as a fat to get the right kind of saturated fat yur missing from meats, which you DO need if you work out intensly and are trying to build/maintain muscle.)

ChefX · 09-02-2005, 06:15 PM

For those who eat McDonalds, before you eat your meal (lunches and dinner)... have one side salad NO dressing and a pint of 2% milk. You can't have the fries (one day a week only) and you can't have any calorie beverages (one shake or sugar soda a week only). Otherwise choose any sandwhich you like for the meal as long as the total meal calories line up with what you are allowed (aka 12x bodyweight for the day split into 3 or 4 meals) you also must have 3 liters of water a day. Breakfast is simple, must have the milk and coffee or tea plus breakfast must have eggs in it otherwise choose according to your calories. Add in the other stuff from my diatia, post dinner walk, stomach vacuums, sleep stuff and stress reduction techniques. (otherwise known as lifestyle stuff) Now exercise, (follow my oppurtunitas) you must do synaptic facilitation training each morning 10 minutes, you must do metabolic training each evening 10 minutes and you have to do 2 weight workouts for 1 hour a week. (certain styles of exercise at key timing turns out to be the magic bullet here) If you added in my alchemy supps it becomes optimal (yes that is the right wording). You could even adjust the calories (just like in my normal Diatia) week by week and loose fat and gain muscle with it all while improving the outcome.
It has been tested. And it is proven.

McRoNiX · 09-02-2005, 06:17 PM

120g of flax per day???

ChefX · 09-02-2005, 06:27 PM

Just use the fish oils.
Honestly, I'd suggest you get my diatia&alchemy, and follow them to the letter with the exception in your case of replacing the meats with the options we went over above (there are a few others but best to talk about those off the board via-e-mail)

thats IMHO

McRoNiX · 09-02-2005, 06:34 PM

thanks. When I get some cash I might well do that.
until then i'll just keep piling eggs down me, lol.
You've been a good help cheers.
Expect to hear from me in the near future ;)

**hackskii** · 09-02-2005, 07:05 PM

You know Eskimo's ate almost all proteins and fats and had no cavities, heart desease, cancers, etc.
So saying saturated fats are bad is not entirely the case and in fact you have to have some in the diet for good health.
Cholesterol is a precurser for testosterone and I have read low cholesterol diets can lead to low testosterone levels in men.

09-02-2005, 05:31 PM	#35 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	wasn't sure if I should continue to post on this, so this will be my last post on this topic here cookie The kidneys clear or adjust the ph first pass/++, what is urine is not blood. The ph of the blood adjusts very very very fast and for a reason, you die if it doesn't. Otherwise we could use nitrogen strips to test for proten levels in the blood. (remember that gimmik from weider LOL) You have to pull blood samples and in the case of ph a sample every minute over 1 hour to see the change. it is extremely small and is a sighn of kidney damage when it does show up. (with advanced athletes we now pull muscle biopsies to check these levels as well as blood test, urine samples are only used to see kidney function) (support for you) NOW eating extreme on ph can effect the body as in stress the system, but we actully have found that low ph aka alkaline is worse as most protein foods come out undigested (it screws with the stomachs ability to digest proteins). the body handles a higher acidic environement better than low (in moderate cases, there are exceptions aka as you pointed out acid reflux indegestion). __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

09-02-2005, 06:11 PM	#40 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	IMHO flax should only be used in conjunction with ala and only if you will not take fish oils. You need around 120g of flax to equal the 12g of fish oils I suggest for optimal levels. (Those extra calories from the flax have to be taken back out of the other fat choices in the diet to keep the balance.) (plus you need the butter as a fat to get the right kind of saturated fat yur missing from meats, which you DO need if you work out intensly and are trying to build/maintain muscle.) __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself. Last edited by ChefX; 09-02-2005 at 06:17 PM.

09-02-2005, 06:15 PM	#41 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	For those who eat McDonalds, before you eat your meal (lunches and dinner)... have one side salad NO dressing and a pint of 2% milk. You can't have the fries (one day a week only) and you can't have any calorie beverages (one shake or sugar soda a week only). Otherwise choose any sandwhich you like for the meal as long as the total meal calories line up with what you are allowed (aka 12x bodyweight for the day split into 3 or 4 meals) you also must have 3 liters of water a day. Breakfast is simple, must have the milk and coffee or tea plus breakfast must have eggs in it otherwise choose according to your calories. Add in the other stuff from my diatia, post dinner walk, stomach vacuums, sleep stuff and stress reduction techniques. (otherwise known as lifestyle stuff) Now exercise, (follow my oppurtunitas) you must do synaptic facilitation training each morning 10 minutes, you must do metabolic training each evening 10 minutes and you have to do 2 weight workouts for 1 hour a week. (certain styles of exercise at key timing turns out to be the magic bullet here) If you added in my alchemy supps it becomes optimal (yes that is the right wording). You could even adjust the calories (just like in my normal Diatia) week by week and loose fat and gain muscle with it all while improving the outcome. It has been tested. And it is proven. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

09-02-2005, 06:27 PM	#43 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Just use the fish oils. Honestly, I'd suggest you get my diatia&alchemy, and follow them to the letter with the exception in your case of replacing the meats with the options we went over above (there are a few others but best to talk about those off the board via-e-mail) thats IMHO __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* *The Regimen X Bodybuilding System by The Family of X* In the great Greek poem by Constantine Cavafy titled "Ithaka," We are reminded that it is the voyage and the adventures on the way that count, not the arrival itself.

09-02-2005, 07:05 PM	#45 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,694	You know Eskimo's ate almost all proteins and fats and had no cavities, heart desease, cancers, etc. So saying saturated fats are bad is not entirely the case and in fact you have to have some in the diet for good health. Cholesterol is a precurser for testosterone and I have read low cholesterol diets can lead to low testosterone levels in men. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

09-02-2005, 05:04 PM	#32 (permalink)
McRoNiX Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 322	Chef.. You talk about how much I am losing out from the health benefits from eating meat, but at the same time a vegetarian diet provides a wide range of health benefits. Research shows that vegetarians suffer less from many of the dieases associated with the typical Western diet, including obesity, coronary heart disease, hypertension, type II diabetes, diet-related cancers, diverticular disease, constipation and gall stones. A typical vegetarian diet reflects most of the dietary recommendations for healthy eating, being low in saturated fat and high in fibre, complex carbohydrates, and fresh fruit and vegetables. So it has good and bad points. I acknowledge the fact that it is not ideal for muscle building but I remain confident that I will get substantial gain with a good diet (which I will continue to correct) and training. As to all the pH stuff...WHOOSH over my head :confused:

09-02-2005, 05:30 PM	#34 (permalink)
McRoNiX Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 322	I appreciate that. The probem with non-vegetarians is they are sucked into eating food sources such as kfc and mcdonalds a lot more than vegetarians as there is more available. Another reason I feel almost "proud" to be a veggie is a more global view. Vegetables are a more efficient source of protein than meat. 40 per cent of today's world grain production is used to feed meat-producing livestock. Something for everyone to think about

09-02-2005, 05:54 PM	#38 (permalink)
McRoNiX Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 322	I fail to believe that by eating nothing but mcdonalds for 30 days your health would not suffer. The meat quality alone is terrible.

09-02-2005, 06:02 PM	#39 (permalink)
McRoNiX Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 322	So.. anyways, more eggs, milk, cottage cheese, yoghurt. All things I'm trying to do. what about flax seed oil?

09-02-2005, 06:17 PM	#42 (permalink)
McRoNiX Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 322	120g of flax per day???

09-02-2005, 06:34 PM	#44 (permalink)
McRoNiX Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sussex Posts: 322	thanks. When I get some cash I might well do that. until then i'll just keep piling eggs down me, lol. You've been a good help cheers. Expect to hear from me in the near future ;)