tommy y

doubt many people are 5% bf when not dieting, if you are then you must be fcked all the time, i feel sorry for you. i was like a zombie in the later stages of the diet. altho i have got a mate who eats literally nothin but ****, binges all weekend an is shredded all year an still holds his muscle, a exception he's a freak!

Littleluke

Ahmen to that! A light breeze would have knocked me over 3 weeks out LOL

tel3563

Less than 9 and half stone, 6ft tall and 3%bf, sounds as if your malnutritioned.
Hope you work things out bro, listen to the more experienced guys on here and you'll be fine.
My 2p worth, get a good diet sorted before going to the gym, I think I'd go with Vince and Luke on this one mate, but I'm sure they'd both agree a little cheat food won't do you much harm at the moment

thestudbeast

Sorry mate, think you've got this one wrong, its high GI and so will cause an insulin spike, just like malto is a complex carb and is insulegenic.

Vince

Of course it will cause a spike, every carb source will cause a spike...but not the sort of spike simple sugars would. That was my point.

d@n

insulin is what drives amino acid's into the muscles aswell as fat right and is highly anabolic right? i know its a bad thing if your trying to loss fat but he has clearly stated that fat is not a problem and he's trying to build muscle.

Vince

Agreed! But why use junk and simple sugar when this can be achieved with good sources?
Plus on insulin the subject is not that simple really.

thestudbeast

maltodextin a complex carb source causes the same insulin spike as dextrose a simple one, what evidence do you have the WMS is not the same?

Jimmy

a nice easy way to add kcals is to take a tablespoon of olive oil in each meal

no nasty sugars in that

d@n

complex carbs are basicly fibre and sugar so if you have already ate aload of clean food why do you need to fill precious stomach space with fibre? the extra fibres not going to help him grow and he's not going to be able to eat as many cals.

im not suggesting that he sits down at mc d's 8 times a day but eating your clean food and then maybe have some junk if you cant get the cals in eatng 100% clean.

everyones different i know guys who eat nothing but junk and are ripped (britbb will know who im talking about) and other guys who eat lean all the time and still put on alot of fat, its a sliding scale most people are somewhere in the middle.

andysutils

olive oil is the king of all callories, no question

Vince

Not all calories are the same.
Why getting down your neck 1000kcal of junk when you can achieve the same with clean food?
Given that there's only so much solid food someone can ingest, adding more protein and good fats in between meals with a protein shake and some PB or nuts will do the job!

d@n

i think the problem with that aproach is that your not going to digest a gut full of protien fat and fibre in 3 hours every 3 hours so your either going to be eating less overall or pooping a large amount of half digested cals out the other end, just because your eating alot of cals dosnt mean your processing then all, like you said all cals are not the same

Vince

So you would solve this eating junk which slows digestion and cause bloatin hence delaying the next feed?
I never mentioned large meals...this is some conclusion you jumped to...i said insted of making your meals bigger add pro/fat shakes between meals.
Plus I'm definetly not an advocate of high carbs diets as carbs don't make muscle.

Vince

Mate jury is still out on that one.
There's one side claiming malto and waxy do cause a high insulin response since they follow the known theory that the faster sugar (glucose) hits the blood stream the larger the insulin response.
The other side claims that malto and waxy altho hit the blood stream fast this is only due to their low molecular weight and so they don't cause the same sort of spike as simple sugars.
If you have research and test results i'd like to see the cos i've been looking to no avail.