I just cant cope! How do you do it? please help! - Page 2 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

GSleigh · 25-04-2008, 01:58 PM

I do try to eat:

Salmon fillets
steak
mince meat
tuna

regularly...

So not enough fats you say? o.k.. taken on board! more carbs and fats to bulk up.

I was taking the termobol to try and bulk and keep the fat off.. but my fat % never changes much to be honest.

YetiMan · 25-04-2008, 02:00 PM

termobol - Dont they act as an appatising suppresent as well, like most fat burning tab things?

gym rat · 25-04-2008, 02:01 PM

drop the fat burners mate, and do 3 walking pace cardio sessions a week,

Mrdaveyk · 25-04-2008, 02:04 PM

totally agree too much supplement, exchange a few for real foods such as nuts/seeds and stick in another proper wholesome meal or snack

are you trying to gain or cut mate? i originally thought you was bulking but the fat burners have thrown me abit

GSleigh · 25-04-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gym rat

drop the fat burners mate, and do 3 walking pace cardio sessions a week,

hey... well after my weight sessions i actually run 5km hard 4 times a week which takes around 25-30 mins. Apart from after leg training its on a bike for 30mins hard.

Magic Torch · 25-04-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MXD

Your diet is pants.

Eat higher fat foods, they do not make you fat!

Mince, eggs, fish etc, all bang in the calories very well just consume fats with proteins or carbs with proteins to stay lean.

Kain the brown rice and powdered oats / milk.

Also drop the nitrix, cell mass, syntha 6... + why on earth are you taking thermobol if you are trying to gain weight!

Those protein powders are very thick and make you full.

Just get plain whey (from myprotein etc as they are not filled with aspartame and bulking agents) with dextrose post and plain whey with oats other times..

Good post, damn bro you are smart.

GSleigh · 25-04-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrdaveyk

totally agree too much supplement, exchange a few for real foods such as nuts/seeds and stick in another proper wholesome meal or snack

are you trying to gain or cut mate? i originally thought you was bulking but the fat burners have thrown me abit

I was trying to bulk.... BUT bulk in a lean way! LOL if that makes sense so thought they would help cut while bulking but probably missed the point!

Mrdaveyk · 25-04-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MXD

Your diet is pants.

Eat higher fat foods, they do not make you fat!

Mince, eggs, fish etc, all bang in the calories very well just consume fats with proteins or carbs with proteins to stay lean.

Kain the brown rice and powdered oats / milk.

Also drop the nitrix, cell mass, syntha 6... + why on earth are you taking thermobol if you are trying to gain weight!

Those protein powders are very thick and make you full.

Just get plain whey (from myprotein etc as they are not filled with aspartame and bulking agents) with dextrose post and plain whey with oats other times..

na thatll never work dude as far as my knowledge goes

eater more fatty foods as quoted, just make sure saturated fats only take up 25% on total fats, normally states it on the back of the product

but do have some saturated as they are needed of course

Chris4Pez · 25-04-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GSleigh

I was trying to bulk.... BUT bulk in a lean way! LOL if that makes sense so thought they would help cut while bulking but probably missed the point!

Sorry to say this mate but when you "bulk" if you want to call it that then you are going to gain mass in the forms of both fat and also muscle, they key thing to do is gain more muscle than fat.

However you are not going to gain any muscle if you are scared of gaining a little bit extra fat which you can work off later in the date!

I would defiantly in crease your carb in take, in fact have you ever read off ere by BIG its called how to grow??????

If not i would read it, and what you should remember is that Protein does not make you grow it only repairs the muscles, its carbs and also fats (healthy ones) that help you grow!

Also dont be scared to add a few junk meals in there as well as a lot of guys on this board who are big them selfs will tell you in their off season they eat a bit of junk too help with the calories that they need and also just cus they like it!

How do you think all these pro BBers get as big as they do as i can tell you they dont all eat clean!

GSleigh · 25-04-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris4Pez

Sorry to say this mate but when you "bulk" if you want to call it that then you are going to gain mass in the forms of both fat and also muscle, they key thing to do is gain more muscle than fat.

However you are not going to gain any muscle if you are scared of gaining a little bit extra fat which you can work off later in the date!

I would defiantly in crease your carb in take, in fact have you ever read off ere by BIG its called how to grow??????

If not i would read it, and what you should remember is that Protein does not make you grow it only repairs the muscles, its carbs and also fats (healthy ones) that help you grow!

Also dont be scared to add a few junk meals in there as well as a lot of guys on this board who are big them selfs will tell you in their off season they eat a bit of junk too help with the calories that they need and also just cus they like it!

How do you think all these pro BBers get as big as they do as i can tell you they dont all eat clean!

You know what that 1 post has really made me think... The comment on the protien and carb thing... oh you know what at least its never to late to change and really alter eating habits...

O.k fair enough i get you basically get that bulking correct then cut back when ready? Keep carbs high to get bigger and dont get so hooked up on protien and supplements..

Dont be scared of high carb foods. enjoy them.. will do

Thanks!

Mrdaveyk · 25-04-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GSleigh

dont get so hooked up on protien

just dont cut the protein dude and yourll be fine!

hey if your like me you will clean bulk anyway and lose no definition, if any ive gained a hell of alot of definition through getting bigger

good luck boyo!

Shib · 25-04-2008, 05:16 PM

Ive got a fast metabolism so I have to eat loads to gain weight, over the last 3 weeks I have gained 1 stone, my waist has increased from 31" to 31.5"

5am - 2 slices of whole meal toast with about 75g peanut butter, 250ml milk and a banana

730am - pint of ff milk with oatmeal raisin flapjacks (75cals each x 5)

10am - half a server of muscle milk whey protein in milk (about 20g protein)
and a linda mcartney veg lasagna... being at work sux

1pm - another linda mcartney lasagna (about 500cals 20 protein)

3pm - pint of ff milk with oatmeal raisin flapjacks (75cals each x 5)

6pm - chicken tacos or fagitas or tika etc...something meat in olive oil

or 4 eggs with wholemeal bread, some times cheese omlette, or even a pizza.

creatine/supps etc

9pm pint of ff milk with oatmeal raisin flapjacks (75clas each x 5)

Also eat random amounts of peanut butter throughout the day to keep me thristy :p not to mention bananas ;)

When I wake up to pee in the middle of the night I nail a protein shake or some more milk.

I just make sure I get around 30g protein and not worry about the rest.

Chil · 25-04-2008, 05:34 PM

Listen to all that advice and get some solid food into you. More solid food and then get your extra calories from a shake or two during the day. But ease into it. If you give your stomach time to gruadually expand. You'll cope with the extra food.

At 8am swap the shake for a good breakfast. Some oats or another decent cereal and maybe some eggs.

P.s. Stick with it mate. Remember if it was easy everyone would do it.

wogihao · 25-04-2008, 06:24 PM

Heres how most guys manage it...

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/nutrition...-way-bulk.html

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/nutrition...ting-mass.html

either method will result in weight gain. Seems a pitty to put in all that effort without results.

As has been said before, you need to cut back on the suplements and force yourself to eat food. the only way guys get to eating masive portions is by building up there portion size slowly (just like weight lifting - you dont start off with a 200kg bench press, you build up to it..)

MXD · 27-04-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AnyOldIron

you should always have a good amount of fat in your diet to optimise hormone production and provide essential fatty acids. 20-30% of overall calories is good, however keep it largely unsaturated if you are eating carbs.

the most important fats are the omega3 EPA/DHA.. you need fish oil to get these, or oily fish (mackerel is a good source). 10g fish oil a day or 3g EPA/DHA is a minimum. you can't get these directly from seeds or flax, the body must convert these from the omega3's in these foods (mostly ALA - a different omega3 acid) and the process is inefficient and inconsistent depending on your genetics. there are also omega6 and omega9 fatty acids but these are covered by most people's diets.

the rest of your fats should be mono's from things like olive oil, avocado, animal fat etc (animal fat is 50/50 sat and mono fat). aim for 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil a day for its benefits (which are many). mono fats are a great fuel source for the body as they burn easily.

saturated fat should be kept low in a high carb environment, so just get this from your usual meat/eggs and don't add any (butter, coconut oil, lard..). saturated fat is a testosterone regulator; my belief is this day's metro egg white/lean chicken brigade is rife with impotency for this very reason.. best natural test booster you will ever get is to eat high fat with about 50% sat fat (but you can't do this if you eat high carbs).

so, in simple terms: you need fat in your diet. poly's for omega3's (fish oil), mono's and sat fats for fuel/hormone production. (simplified model)

finally - do not use rapeseed, peanut, corn, sunflower, safflower or canola oils for fat. they disrupt the omega3:omega6 ratio which is skewed bigtime in favour of omega3's because of the popularity of vegetable oils when the world freaked out over sat fats and stopped using butter to cook with.. this imbalance of omega3's:omega6's messes with your insulin management and can cause you to age quicker.

That says it all really..