jw007

you could do a "come progress thread" with weekly updated pics of milk bottle, post your diet up and we can give input into making a thicker consistancy...

Ive heard grape juice is good ;)

TH&S

Not a bad idea actually!

Mrs JW007 says Honey and Yoghurt makes it taste better

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jw007

I think you mean MR JW007, dont let the womens clothes fool you ;)

TH&S

I did wonder about his/her moustache - I assumed he/she just had a hairy top lip. ;)

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jw007

I like it, you had your doubts but you took the BJ anyway....
A real trooper, nothings too much for the team....

Good man

thestudbeast

The large amounts of calcium in the milk has an alkalizing effect on the stomach and so will help with heartburn. The ash it leaves is acidic which is something completely different.

Because it has an alkalizing effect on the stomach it is advisable not to eat any meat or fish with milk as it buffers your stomach acid leaving you open to infection and limiting the digestion of the protein.

Body builders need both an acidic and an alkaline state at different periods of the day so a well time pint or two of milk will do no harm. The quality of the milk is much more important than the source (goat or cow). Raw unhamogonized milk from free range animals should be valued over all others.

Heartburn is a symptom of bigger problems that need to be dealt with, using anti acids should be avoided at all costs. Most people suffering from heartburn have low stomach acid! Yep you read that right, the low stomach acid causes lack of digestion of food in the stomach and stops it from passing on into the digestive tract. This food then ferments in your stomach causing an acid build up (but it's not stomach acid ie HCL) and so your body is unable to deal with it. The solution, well NOW foods super digestive enzymes will help as they contain betaine HCL (stomach acid) and pancreatic enzymes).

Sorry to lower the tone of this thread!

jw007

cheers, interesting....

Cause of my heartburn was tren tho..
Have ceased use now and heartburn has gone

jw007

that would explain my lack of appetite whilst on tren then, plus it did seem to take an age for any food to digest, usually my digestion was pretty good, but meals would sit in stomach for hours..

Evil stuff lol

TH&S

Have you tried probiotics / digestive enzymes with hcl in...?

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jw007

yeah, when digestion was playing up i got hold of som life extension digestive enzymes....seem pretty good going to carry on taking them from now on.

whats the other stuff or is it the same?

TH&S

Pro Biotics are just yoghurt with natural enzymes in.

Its been said that Live Yoghurt will do the same job, and is cheaper.

I just take some Digestive Enzymes I got from H&B.

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cellaratt

Milk is not like it used to be 50 or 75 years ago. Although it is less susceptible to spoilage or certain contaminants, the processing really does change the nature and quality of the product. There are those who highly recommend against any milk products for a variety of reasons, some because of the processing and some because of reasons due to the nature of milk itself. Many hold to the idea that " Our bodies absorbing lots of calcium from milk " is more of a myth perpetuated by the milk industry.

Milk is commonly pasteurized, heated to about 150 degrees F for about 30 minutes and then cooled rapidly to around 55 degrees. The purpose is to kill harmful microbes. However, it also kills benefitial microbes ( The lactic acid bacilli are killed) and alters the chemical composition of some of the components to milk ( The nature of lactose is changed ) Ever get tired or sleepy after drinking milk...?... ...the lactose ( Milk sugar ) has been changed through pasteurization and is more readily absorbed into the body. Other constituents of milk are changed, such as the ability of some of the nutrients and minerals to be properly absorbed by the body. Calcium is one. It is easy to see in the kitchen when you heat food for 30 minutes at 150 degrees to see how the food has changed, so you can see how milk would be altered.

Common milk is also homogenized. This process typically is prior to pasteurization. The fat content ( Like the cream which normally comes to the top ) is emulsified so there is a consistent and uniform drink. This means that the fats are reduced in size by an artificial process often involving centrifuges. Other constituents of milk are altered with this reduction process. So, now properties of what can more easily be absorbed have changed, i.e. fats and some possible other tag-alongs.

Then there is all the food stuff fed to cows and harmones and additives and herbicide residues and god-knows-what. If you have ever spent time on a dairy farm, you know that these folks work extremely hard...and yet they have a very difficult time making ends meet. Many small guys have to throw in the towel. There is a lot of pressure to get as much milk out of that cow as you can.

Milk also has nutrients, but more are available if it is not processed.

So that is a brief on milk. It won't hurt to cut down on milk. You have to make your own decision about what is right for your body as each body is different and has different tolerances depending on what is going on with it. A good self-test on many foods is to observe closely on how you feel after eating them repeatedly. If you start feeling a bit off or see odd signs, it would be smart to lay off...unless those symptoms are acceptable to you personally. It is really your judgement call....Cheers

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thestudbeast

This is totaly wrong.

Digestive enzymes and pro biotics are two totaly diferent things and do rwo totaly different jobs in the body and can not be inter changed.

Digestive enzymes are produced by the pancreas in response to the creation of stomach acid, they are also found in plants but are not of the same potency as the ones produced by your own body.

Pro biotics are found in foods also; Raw milk, Kefir, yogart, sourcraut and miso paste are all good sources. These are friendly bacteria that live in the gut, they do not digest food in the stomach like the digestive enzymes but help out in the gut. They can also be bought in pill form, however if they have not be kept in a refigerated state they will be useless as they will be dead.

So two different things and while probiotics are better sourced from food, digestive enzymes are only available in pill form (at least the one's your pancreas produces )

thestudbeast

interesting I never knew this was a side effect

jw007

neither did i till i took it at a largeish dose, then spoke to several others who i knew to be taking similar amounts and all had same problem, going thro gaviscon like it was going out of fashion lol.
have ceased tren (but still on other aas protocols) and heartburn alas no more