toxictoffee

so basing it on?

how does the body make 18 chain carbon atoms in 20 and 22 diffrently in people though? (other than gender) im not sure what you are stating

so LNA > EPA > DHA

even with GLA present its shown the conversion rate is about 6% DHA is required by the human body

something udos cannot do effeciently unless you drank gallons, then of course you have to ask just how much fat do you need before you hit DHA requirements

simple enough

eat oily fish
a few mixed nuts and seeds
olive oil
fat from eggs and meat

UDOs is flawed

i am trying to establish why you state its A 'good'and B person specific as to how good it can be?

what hapens when you consume other fats in the diet too? then you n3/6 ratio goes to pot...the western diet is too rich in n6 fats anyhow to actively source them

cheers in advance

Five-O

Why make a mountain out of a molehill, I supplement my pro/fat meals with Udo's and Im lean, getting stronger and look ok in my book, by this I mean, if its not broken, don't fix it.

With all due respect your overcomplicating things IMO.

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toxictoffee

no

i am merely debating this on the level that is not overcomplicating things, its simply stating fact

similar to someone posting

"a BMW M3 is the best sports car ever"

they may believe that, but on paper and in reality thats not the case

same with UDOs

its not the best choice of essential fats and i will debate that on the level of science not "becuase it works"

if all debate were on that level then there IMO would be nothing but anecdotal evidence

why have anecdotal evidence when you can have empirical?

im not trying to be an **** but this is a hyped product that has more holes than st andrews augusta and gleneages put together

in short:

alone its a poor choice for essential fats

you cannot argue the efficiency of one part of your diet based on you 'getting leaner' you can though post study after study to show LNA>EPA.DHA conversion is por and too many n6 fats is suboptimal

i simply debate on a level to include:

science
anecdotal evidence
my 2p

not just "becuase i think it works"

sorry if that offended you, its not meant to im simply stating its a sh1te product in comparison to the alternatives (no offence in this post at all)

hackskii

I have not read the whole thread yet but Id like to comment on Udo's vs. fish oils.

First of all many know that I dont like Udo's oils or I should say fish oils over Udo's.
First fish oils offer a far better Omega 3 profile over flax, probably about 10 times.

The typical American diet is rich in Omega 6 fatty acids and defficient of Omega 3's.
The optimal ratio is 1/1 to 1/4 Omega 3 to Omega 6's.
With a diet rich in Omega 6's and defficient in Omega 3's, this will raise AA in the body and AA is a pro-inflammatory, and said to raise PG-2.
Omega 3 fatty acids have anti-inflammatory properties due to raising PG-1 and PG-3.

So strange as this very arguement is on another board where the debate has heated up terribly.

Thing with fish oils is they have to be refirgerated after opening as they can become rancid.

Only time I would prefere flax over fish would be if I was in a very hot climate and I had no access to a refrigerator.

Again, supplementation is just that. I supplement fish oils in my diet because I hate fish and I know I need more fish oil in my diet.
Although I do have an avacado tree in my back yard and eat avacado quite frequently.
Side bar here, my dog gets the most softest coat when I give her avacado and her dry skin goes away........

Ok, back on topic.

Due to the fact that the typical american diet is defficeint in Omega 3's and rich in Omega 6's this puts the ratio at around 1/10 to 1/25.
This can cause a host of problems and there is a SIP or Silent Inflammation Profile test that will test the ratio of AA to EPA and is something that is cutting edge and new here in the States.

Udo's has a blend of 3's, 6's and 9's, so for me due to the ratio being out of whack this seems like the last choice in fats for me to help raise the 3 to 6 ratio.
Again, eating nuts, seeds, avacado, olives all help to supply the body with good fats.

But remember you need saturated fats in the diet too, yes eggs offer some almost perfect food, but also butter is a good choice which has Butrate(sp) which is know to fight cancer.

Everything in moderation.

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Some quotes from one of my favorite posters:

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toxictoffee

so does flax

hence why it comes in an opaque bottle and must be put in the fridge

here in england we have a place called holland and barrett who sell flax oil which tastes like sh1te as a result of poor storage

you must keep any n3 fats in a dark cold plce, not just fishy oils

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