hackskii

Hey bro, I can see the amounts of clomid due to 20mg of nolvadex being equal to 150mg of clomid.
But why 100mg of nolva for day 1?
Also why 60mg of nolva for days 2-11?
And also why nolva @ 40mg from 12-21 days?

Hey man, that is a pretty high dose of nolva and from everything I ever read you dont need that much.
Remember nolva and clomid are both agonists and antoginists to estrogen.
Adding that much nolva runs a risk of putting the prostate at risk to excess estrogen (something most dont know about).

More is not better in most cases and using just enough to aid in recovery is just fine.
Adding in too much could only compromise liver values and put the prostate at risk.......

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toxictoffee

scott

that was a basic protocol and as stated, im not steroid 'boff' that can be argued all day, the cycle was just an addition to the diet as it was aimed at new users. so it was an add on to the diet, which was the focus rather than the cycle, you can even argue against the use of nolva full stop. i am willing to bow down to superior knowledge RE AAs use as its not my forte

bulldozer

it was aimed at those going for size and as stated in the plan bill starrs or rippetoes could be used for beginners, that is for sure a good idea, but then again a new trainer would not be running gear

the article is based on a seasoned trainer in terms of gear and training but the diet remains (which of course is the focus of the thread here)

so training aside the diet runs true

for hard gainers i would say 2-3 things could be altered:

1-dropping the fibrous nature of some carbs
2-adding fats with less satiety (such as monos over polys)
3-an addition to the carbs intake if gains were not coming

so thats the base line of solid food to eat and the calories would be increased to suit gains, coming intially from carbs

airforce1

thanks to every1 whos replied in this thread!!! lots of gd advice been given and im taking it all on board.

im going to have to think of some solutions to having the shakes, its quite hard being at work to have solid food all the time but im guna see what i can prepare the night before to take in. the peanut butter sandwiches sound good though and easy!!

as for the training im goin to try 3 times a week from now on using mainly compound exercises and increase the weight each week gradually.

i guess its all experimentation and dedication. does any body take a sort of tonic to increase their appetite? there are times when i simply cant/dont feel like eating anymore. my mum(of all ppl) recommended something called metotonic or something...apparantly its used for after you've had the flu to get your appetite back!?

invisiblekid

If you are struggling with your appetite I'd suspect over training. I know if I feel over trained I find it difficult to eat. This isn't a hard and fast rule/symptom, but I know it effects me. As said, vary your diet and stick in some red meat.

Weigh what you eat - write it down and post it up. Do it for everything you consume. Start a thread like the show prep threads if it helps.

Do the same with your training.

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toxictoffee

my shake

This is for the so called hardgainer or the bulking human dustbins who cannot eat at work. it must IMO be accompanied by at leat 3-4 other solid meals during the non working day

liquid egg whites x 10 170 calories 40g protein
choc casein powder x 50g 200 calories 40g protein
smij of whole egg powder x 10g 5g protein 75 calories
choc whey x 15g 10g protein 75 calories
weetabix x 6 400 calories 85g of CHO
oat powder x 25g 100 calories 15g of CHO
flax oil x 10ml 80 calories 8g of fat
walnut oil x 5ml 50 calories 4g of fat
coconut oil x 5ml 40 calories 4g of fat
banana x 2 200 calories 50g of CHO
smooth peanut butter x 1 teaspoon 75 calories 5g of fat 3g protein
aspartamte x 3 teaspoons
water to suit

~1500 calories - all cals/amounts are rough, dont worry about them, worry about growing

2 litre + flask

Use a road drill like hand blender followed by some massive shaking before each of 3 servings throughout the day, generally 2-3 hours apart. sedentry people can lower the quantities, active can increase them

this is a pure mass gainer and i take no responsibility for those who add signficant amounts of weight by over estimating their calorie requirements

it will though provide a very good calorie spectrum for those needing size

boro62

liquid egg whites x 10 170 calories 40g protein
choc casein powder x 50g 200 calories 40g protein
smij of whole egg powder x 10g 5g protein 75 calories
choc whey x 15g 10g protein 75 calories
weetabix x 6 400 calories 85g of CHO
oat powder x 25g 100 calories 15g of CHO
flax oil x 10ml 80 calories 8g of fat
walnut oil x 5ml 50 calories 4g of fat
coconut oil x 5ml 40 calories 4g of fat
banana x 2 200 calories 50g of CHO
smooth peanut butter x 1 teaspoon 75 calories 5g of fat 3g protein
aspartamte x 3 teaspoons
water to suit



Hi m8,
I would like to try this shake as my job involves a lot of driving,is it possible to get these ingrediants from local supermarket or health shop or do i need to buy online and if online is there one site where i can get it all from rather than shopping around.
cheers m8.

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hackskii

My forte is PCT but I myself bow down to superior kowledge of routines as that is not my forte.

But I love to learn, and I try to learn something every day.
Like picking up pieces of a puzzle and finding the places to fit.
eventually the big picture gets a bit more clear.

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toxictoffee

scott
run me by a PCT protocol as i know it differs in theory from US to UK, i like different takes

as for where to buy 'all dat sh1t' above

a combo of high street and www.myprotein.co.uk

ps feel free to remove the link above if its seen as 'self promotion'

hackskii

Sure,
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroids-...nding-pct.html

Protocol is just that, protocol!
What works, is really what matters.
And even this is a personal issue in regard's to recovery.

Sorry, a few beer's under my belt (Go figure:doh:?)
Look fwd to sharing ideas on things, sounds stimulating......
Iron sharpens Iron like one man sharpens another.

:beer1:

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Jock

I've only had a few dealings with MP but I've found their range of products, prices and delivery all superb.

TT can you explain the benefit of aspartame?

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toxictoffee

scott
thanks for the link

jock
simply flavour but TBH sweeteners have positives and negative IMO

hackskii

More negatives than positives.
They just came out last week and suggested that artificial sweetners and regular sugar in the soda's both had the same effect.

You can get an insulin responce from artificial sweetners.

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toxictoffee

yes and they are documented to stimulate binge eating in some studeis

Jimmy

i have been saying this for ages now

i never advise artificial sweeteners any more

maybe 1 diet drink a day for taste...but no more than that

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