Jimmy

jeez buddy, have you seen how much he eats?

maybe re read the top post

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ParaManiac

I am in agreement with ah24.

Toxic,the lad is brand new and is asking sensible questions which i think deserve a polite and informed response.

If you would rather not supply him with any of your obviously superior knowledge then do us all a favour and keep your arrogance to yourself.

toxictoffee

lol again

ok

what is the second law of thermodynamics?

google that

then you can argue body composition Vs weight gain but at the end of the day you cannot cheat the laws of thermodynamics

everybody can gain weight, no ifs, no buts unless you happen to fall into the bracket of the 0.0000001% who have thyroid issues

as for what toeat and when? you can then look at the work of will brink and the universal theory he pus forward

weight gain is about calories, body compsotion is about nutrient timing, partinioning and windows of opportunity

empty calories? empty calories are great for bulking, in fact often beter for hard gainers as the satiety is low and the consumption is easy. this goes with fats too, the satiety of n3 fats is higher than that of monos such as oleic. this of course allows for additional consumption of calories whilst obviating the notion of 'not being able to eat enough'

ah24

bullsh1t baffles brains mate

people who cannot put weight on can, they are just yet to realise whqat it takes...now tell me how you cheat the laws of thermodynamics

paramaniac

thanks for your 2p mate, again this is a discussion board, therefore i discuss and there has been some suboptimal advice here. now if you want to debate on a level about nutrition, i am happy to do that, if you want to throw insults around i dont get involved

so you explain to me how increasing calories beyond TDEE stops you gaining weight?

ah24

even though post pranidal hyperaminoacidemia will drop below original levels within 1hour when using some protein sources, thus hindering the anabolic cycle and positive nitrogen balance? and of course, eating = insulin

insulin = most anabolic hormone known to man

eating 5 times a day and trying to consume 5000 calories ED will often lead to the ineffective utilisation of large oamounts of protein to follow the carb or fat pathway once the needs of the amino pool are met

paramaniac

where have i been arrogant?

i am simply lol'ing at some of the responses

so are we going back to debating this issue or are we posting insults? if so i will leave you to it mate

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toxictoffee

if i wanted to make friends i would join www.friendfinder.com

if i wanted to discuss BBing and throw my 2p i would join a BBing forum

fortunately i dont seek social acceptance, i do though believe if something is suboptimal i will state why reagardless of the consequences

do you have anything to add to the topic BTW?

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toxictoffee

doesnt interest me mate

as stated im here to talk BBing/training/nutrition not have buddy buddy chat

so, back on topic

anyt thoughts on the above?

ah24

Wow someone spent a while posting that. I must say you seem knowledgable, but instead of "lol-ing" at things why not demonstrate the knowledge and put your ideas across? Debates and different ideas are good there really arent many 'right' answers in this, its all theories. To you nutrition maybe simple, to others it is not, 'no if's no buts'

As for the meal timings, yes of course 5 meals would be too little for 5000 cals! Thats a no-brainer, 1000cals every meal a lil difficult. If you read his weight you'd see 5 meals going by the bolus dosing i mentioned could easily be done.

About your problems with it, your not coming out of hyperaminoacidemia by adding the free form branch chained amino's.

I havent said he should do this, iv'e mentioned that im doing it - and getting results. If your keeping amino acids elevated at a plateu constantly your body will become refractory and insensitive to it, towards protein synthesis, thats why i let the amino's 'drop off'.

It hasnt been proven for sure yet but there's studies being carried out on it at the moment, i know about it as iv'e been talking to someone who's carrying out the research. All the time i find its working for me i'll continue to use it and refer it to others, especially those who struggle to cram all their meals in.

Again, i look forward to your response as im open minded - also, one thing i make a point of not doing is advise people whether they should/shouldn't do something without having tried it first - i think your statements would be more valid if you could back them up with the fact that you've used them, not just referred to science.

DaPs

Yeah i knew the comment was abit childish when i posted it, but i have to put my little bit of nastiness in now and again, otherwise i'll be too nice

toxictoffee

can you exapnd on that please

ah24

I'll admit im no expert with the science behind it, always looking to learn.

You said hyperaminoacidemia will drop from different protein sources, that may be...but what thats got to do with the bolus dosing i dont know, and the added BCAA's would keep that from dropping.

Thats my theory anyway - feel free to correct me. But can you expand on it and go into a lil detail.

toxictoffee

ok

depedning on the state of the body and the type of protein its easy for the body to have low blood amino content

prime example, whey only after training

1 hour later the levels are at 90% of what they were before

this leaves you catabolic

so, eating more frequently or combining proteins would obviate this

simply using BCAAs is not required, jig your meals to allow for a steady flow of aminos, not just BCAAs

airforce1

jeeez, wat a drama this has caused.

@ DaPs - thanks for calling me malnutritioned but if thats u in ur avatar, im def bigger and better looking than you(in both ways). if you're gunna make stupid comments im simply not interested.

sorry if ive asked a simple question but i really am stuck and dont wanna try bulking unless its a clean diet!! especially as im working and sometimes have to be out on site its hard to eat whats needed. maybe i should chuck in some more tuna sandwiches in there.

anybody got more help on training programme?

ah24

Ok i disagree with most of this. Sorry dude, but the guy i go to for questions and who has helped me is a natural pro, he has a degree with honours in skeletal protein metabolism and is doing his PhD in amino acid science.

If you want the link to his website, some of his articles, a video series etc just ask.

I read in a thread that you have show pics on MT, can you PM me the link to em mate? Also, have you achieved anything in BBing or have any other qualifications higher than a personal training cert?

none of thats a dig, its just the dude i speak with, firstly his record says it all but he also breaks things down and explains exactly how it works.

ah24

In order to stay lean i bulk for 6-8 weeks then cut for 2-3, the gains come fairly slowly due to the cutting, but if your macro's are worked out you will grow and its worth it with staying lean!