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robin_3_16 · 09-03-2004, 08:56 PM

just read an e book i down;oaded from kazaa called bodybuilding secrets
and they say this shake is great for growth, using 3 hormones involved in growth
best taken post workout
Protein Powder
a carbohydrate powder
glutamine powder
creatine and grape juice
you add amounts for lean body mass i can gibve you amounts the books says
for the average shake
50g protein
80g crabohydrate powder
20g glutamine
10g creatine
16 oz grape juice
first i wanted to know what u guys thought of this?
yuou experts
is quite expensive but could build up to it
apparently should be made and chilled for post workout
the book is ok had a flick abit boring has about 8 other ideas
the other question was where do i get crabohydrate powder from?
thanks guys!

Panthro · 09-03-2004, 09:41 PM

ok, that isnt far off, but i use a slightly better approach.

To get the best insulin release, you need a 3:1 carb:protein ratio. Sounds a lot, it is, but it works. Split those carbs 50:50 glucose:maltodextrin (simple:complex). Then add in some glutamine. You only need 5g (10 max, 20 is expensive and a waste) and if you are using creatine, whatever your dose of that is. About 5g maintenance. As for the grape juice? That just provides simple carbs and in my equasion they are already provided for, so no need.

In summary, ideal PWO shake (IMO) is:

50g whey protein
75g glucose
75g maltodextrin
5g glutamine
(5g creatine)

All in water and get it down you!

Personally, i drink my whey seperate to the rest, coz the combo of glucose and whey is to much for me to handle, so i have 2 seperate drinks, one after the other.

Hope this helps.

robin_3_16 · 09-03-2004, 09:49 PM

thanks alot mate that is great, ad cheaper too which is what i wanted
thanks mate!

BSF James · 10-03-2004, 09:29 AM

Good advice there joolz. 3:1 ratio is best post workout. I try to get 30g whey isolate and 100g simple carbs plus some glutamine after each workout. This used to be easy as we sold these carb drinks in my gym that had exactly 100g of carbs. Now I'm looking for something else to get my carbs from post workout.

DB · 10-03-2004, 11:00 AM

grape juice is ment to help creatine absorb better, thats why that was stated

Panthro · 10-03-2004, 11:37 AM

that is an old theory that is sh1te! It only helps because it is high in simple carbs. So using glucose is just as good, if not better

Panthro · 10-03-2004, 11:41 AM

SilentBob, i just buy bags of glucose from health food shops, that costs f-all and you can buy maltodextrin for next to nothing too. Much cheaper than those carbopower drinks that are 100g exactly!

robin_3_16 · 10-03-2004, 03:52 PM

do most health food shops sell those 2?

OnePack · 10-03-2004, 04:21 PM

i mix glucose in milk and stir it about to make a "milk shake-like" drink. Tastes great too!

Panthro · 10-03-2004, 05:52 PM

i wouldnt include milk in the PWO shake. You want the protein to get into those muscles ASAP, and milk slows down the absorption, so only water will do PWO!

**hackskii** · 10-03-2004, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by superjoolz
that is an old theory that is sh1te! It only helps because it is high in simple carbs. So using glucose is just as good, if not better

They do give dextrose tablets to diabetics in case they drop too low in blood sugars. So that might be one of the fastest spikers of blood sugars if they give it to diabetics. I could be wrong tho.
I myself have to steer away from the fast spikers myself. I tend to put weight on easily with carbs. About the fastest spiking carbs that I like to eat are oranges and apples.

Panthro · 10-03-2004, 06:41 PM

yeah, dextrose/glucose are pretty much identical (I think!!!). My best mate is diabetic, and he always used glucose.

OnePack · 10-03-2004, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by superjoolz
i wouldnt include milk in the PWO shake. You want the protein to get into those muscles ASAP, and milk slows down the absorption, so only water will do PWO!

PWO??

Panthro · 10-03-2004, 07:07 PM

post workout

OnePack · 10-03-2004, 07:18 PM

thanks.

but is having milk b4 bed ok because u want absorbtion to be slow?

i normally have water after training and milk other times, especially b4 bed.

09-03-2004, 08:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
robin_3_16 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,461	bodybuilding secrets, hormone shake just read an e book i down;oaded from kazaa called bodybuilding secrets and they say this shake is great for growth, using 3 hormones involved in growth best taken post workout Protein Powder a carbohydrate powder glutamine powder creatine and grape juice you add amounts for lean body mass i can gibve you amounts the books says for the average shake 50g protein 80g crabohydrate powder 20g glutamine 10g creatine 16 oz grape juice first i wanted to know what u guys thought of this? yuou experts is quite expensive but could build up to it apparently should be made and chilled for post workout the book is ok had a flick abit boring has about 8 other ideas the other question was where do i get crabohydrate powder from? thanks guys! __________________ Robin

09-03-2004, 09:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	ok, that isnt far off, but i use a slightly better approach. To get the best insulin release, you need a 3:1 carb:protein ratio. Sounds a lot, it is, but it works. Split those carbs 50:50 glucose:maltodextrin (simple:complex). Then add in some glutamine. You only need 5g (10 max, 20 is expensive and a waste) and if you are using creatine, whatever your dose of that is. About 5g maintenance. As for the grape juice? That just provides simple carbs and in my equasion they are already provided for, so no need. In summary, ideal PWO shake (IMO) is: 50g whey protein 75g glucose 75g maltodextrin 5g glutamine (5g creatine) All in water and get it down you! Personally, i drink my whey seperate to the rest, coz the combo of glucose and whey is to much for me to handle, so i have 2 seperate drinks, one after the other. Hope this helps. __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

09-03-2004, 09:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
robin_3_16 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,461	thanks alot mate that is great, ad cheaper too which is what i wanted thanks mate! __________________ Robin

10-03-2004, 09:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
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10-03-2004, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	that is an old theory that is sh1te! It only helps because it is high in simple carbs. So using glucose is just as good, if not better __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

10-03-2004, 11:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	SilentBob, i just buy bags of glucose from health food shops, that costs f-all and you can buy maltodextrin for next to nothing too. Much cheaper than those carbopower drinks that are 100g exactly! __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

10-03-2004, 03:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
robin_3_16 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,461	do most health food shops sell those 2? __________________ Robin

10-03-2004, 04:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
OnePack UK-M's Mascot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 1,494	i mix glucose in milk and stir it about to make a "milk shake-like" drink. Tastes great too! __________________ Thank you.

10-03-2004, 05:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	i wouldnt include milk in the PWO shake. You want the protein to get into those muscles ASAP, and milk slows down the absorption, so only water will do PWO! __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

10-03-2004, 06:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	yeah, dextrose/glucose are pretty much identical (I think!!!). My best mate is diabetic, and he always used glucose. __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

10-03-2004, 07:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	post workout __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

10-03-2004, 07:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
OnePack UK-M's Mascot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 1,494	thanks. but is having milk b4 bed ok because u want absorbtion to be slow? i normally have water after training and milk other times, especially b4 bed. __________________ Thank you.