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**hackskii** · 03-02-2005, 04:11 PM

OUCH:(

winger · 03-02-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

OUCH:(

LOL........................... :p

**big pete** · 04-02-2005, 09:40 AM

looking at that EMG.
they rate tricep pushdowns as being far superior to narrow grip bench.

side raises to be better than shoulder presses

and leg extensions to be ALMOST as good as sqauts.

please tell me that cant be right?? going by this can electrical activity be linked to mass gain?

powerU · 04-02-2005, 09:53 AM

yay big pete - just noticed you've broke 1000 posts, well done mate, constant source of good advice.

GoldenArrow · 04-02-2005, 02:03 PM

EMG studies are bollocks, yes.

**big pete** · 04-02-2005, 04:23 PM

lol, cheers powerU. hadnt even noticed myself!!

SportDr · 04-02-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by big pete

looking at that EMG.
they rate tricep pushdowns as being far superior to narrow grip bench.

side raises to be better than shoulder presses

and leg extensions to be ALMOST as good as sqauts.

please tell me that cant be right?? going by this can electrical activity be linked to mass gain?

Higher EMG readings = More muscle activation which in turn = more growth. The more muscle fibres which are stimulated the better, which is why sets are taken to exhaustion, exhaustion being all of fibres activated until there are none left.

Higher EMG readings also indicated a better isolation of that muscle.

Flaws of EMG would be, electrode placement, muscle size (A larger muscle emits a bigger signal) and cross talk from other muscles. They are not bollox if performed correctly.

Remember that the EMG is just saying that the Rectus Femoris is activated almost as much in leg extension as squats, this doesn't make it as good an exercise unless the RF is the muscle you are hoping to develope. Squats are superior in that they activate a lot of other muscles aswell, abs, hams, glutes, erector spinae etc and raise test and GH levels. Leg extensions can't possibly compare to that no. The EMG readings are very helpful if you are trying to isolate a particular muscle, useful especially for large ones such as pec major or lat.

HTH

SD

winger · 04-02-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SportDr

useful especially for large ones such as pec major or lat.

HTH

SD

Oh read it and weap..............lol. So I guess we are back to bent over rows.............lol......ha ha ha ha ha

powerU · 05-02-2005, 12:19 PM

you just like bending over Winger!

**hackskii** · 05-02-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by powerU

you just like bending over Winger!

funny Power

SportsDr, great post.

winger · 05-02-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by powerU

you just like bending over Winger!

Only with weight!

ONE SMART COOKIE · 05-02-2005, 06:08 PM

Your all wrong,lmao

Pullups to your lower pec line will build the best back(try em an see)

As for deads could for building lower/spinal errectors and traps

Bent over rows really depends on were you pull the bar to

waist level lower lats

Lower pec line upper middle back

Or then again theres using a reverse grip which alters the movement again

Then you could do em on a smith machine(ian harrison fav)and stand a little straighter and this targets the back differently again

IMO the draw back with deads is that they can build a big butt and thicken the waist from over use.

Just my two pence worth.

winger · 05-02-2005, 06:13 PM

Spot on mate.

Omega · 27-03-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by winger

Superior for what? Not rear delts, middle back, or lats. It dosn't isolate enough mate.
Plus it is the wrong angle to hit it as well a bent rows.
So I guess the EMG is wrong then?

Why are you trying to isolate a muscle using a compound lift? In addition, EMG readouts mesure one out of literaly hundereds of factors and outputs for any given input. I.e. They mean nothing.

Omega · 27-03-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SportDr

Higher EMG readings = More muscle activation which in turn = more growth. The more muscle fibres which are stimulated the better, which is why sets are taken to exhaustion, exhaustion being all of fibres activated until there are none left.

Er... No.

Higher EMG reading could mean anything. Everything in your entire body is controled by the nervous system. Having an itch on your skin can give a higher EMG readout. EMG systems are not sensitive enough to isoltate the source of the signal or its inteneded recipient.

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Higher EMG readings also indicated a better isolation of that muscle.

Nonsense. EMG reading fluctuated massively during studies on muscles that were artifically stimulated with a given level of rate coding. Search pubmed for the ref's.

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Flaws of EMG would be, electrode placement, muscle size (A larger muscle emits a bigger signal) and cross talk from other muscles. They are not bollox if performed correctly.

Your traps are notorious for stealing signals, as are the glutes and jus about ever other major muscle in the body. Flaws in EMG is using it in the first place. Were this not the case, why bother with compounds at all?

In addition, the highest EMG readout to date ina study ofmore than 10 people gave pressups as the sinlge best *ahem* isolation exercise for pectorals.... How many of you EMG zealots use weighted pressups in your rotuien IN PLACE OF dips, benching, flyes etc etc?

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Remember that the EMG is just saying that the Rectus Femoris is activated almost as much in leg extension as squats, this doesn't make it as good an exercise unless the RF is the muscle you are hoping to develope. Squats are superior in that they activate a lot of other muscles aswell, abs, hams, glutes, erector spinae etc and raise test and GH levels. Leg extensions can't possibly compare to that no. The EMG readings are very helpful if you are trying to isolate a particular muscle, useful especially for large ones such as pec major or lat.

Squats are superior becuase hypertrophy is proportionate to load. Sheer weight has NO substitute.

Design a routine with EMG in mind and you get something along the lines of a FLEX routine.

I will leave you with this quote form Mel Siff:

"It takes at least 12 machines to rival the effectivness of the clean and press."

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big pete UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	looking at that EMG. they rate tricep pushdowns as being far superior to narrow grip bench. side raises to be better than shoulder presses and leg extensions to be ALMOST as good as sqauts. please tell me that cant be right?? going by this can electrical activity be linked to mass gain? __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

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powerU Getting HUGE! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1,140	you just like bending over Winger!

05-02-2005, 06:08 PM	#42 (permalink)
ONE SMART COOKIE Decided to leave due to idiots & and their over inflated egos Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,015	Your all wrong,lmao Pullups to your lower pec line will build the best back(try em an see) As for deads could for building lower/spinal errectors and traps Bent over rows really depends on were you pull the bar to waist level lower lats Lower pec line upper middle back Or then again theres using a reverse grip which alters the movement again Then you could do em on a smith machine(ian harrison fav)and stand a little straighter and this targets the back differently again IMO the draw back with deads is that they can build a big butt and thicken the waist from over use. Just my two pence worth.