fxleisure

Nytol, im a big believer in what works best for one, doesn't necessarily work for another, however, the fact is that your fly exercise on youtube (in my eyes) is traditionally more of a pressing movement. Any exercise that is assisted by the triceps (like in your vid) cannot be classed as a fly. Whether you are flying or pressing, the anterior delts are always going to be worked as a synergist in both movements. I know Iam new here and im not trying to start an argument, but i'll bet if you used the same weight you are using in your vid performing what is traditionally a fly (slight bend in the elbows, coming out in an arc across the body), you would struggle and have to reduce the poundage.
I never attempt to push the same weight during a press as I do a fly and when performing flys I tend to have the same mentality as I would performing a bicep concentration curl as opposed to a barbell curl, concentrating on the stretch as the reduction in weight alows for me to do so.

Thats just my two p's worth...

Kezz

flys is one of my favourite chest movements but i only ever use a medium weight to do em though

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TypeR

yeah i always thought it was more form, than weight with flys?

Ben

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BabyYoYo

I do incline flys when doing chest and shoulders and I think they work... I set my bench halfway between flat and 45 degrees.. can definitley feel it doing something! Try it...!

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Nytol

IMO a DB press should look nothing like that.

That is a flye as it isolates my pecs without stressing the triceps.

Next time I train chest I shall do inc DB press and put it up, you will then see there is no comparison.

Any one doing a DB press which resembles that is doing at best a partial movement.

If you read what I said about flyes, you will know that straighter arms do nothing for my chest at all, so it has nothing to do with weight, I use the most I can in the form that hits the muscle best, for me.

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SCJP

Sounds like quite a few of the guys at my gym.

Same with shoulders.

Hell, why employ the full ROM when you can lift far heavier by doing just a partial?

am1ev1l

Sorry but this is not an incline fly. The angle is too great and he is more like pressing than flying. As Arnold

Far too many people do this too heavy and end up pressing. Keep it light and get the full stretch at the bottom and perform a controlled movement. I beleive that 45 deg angle is way too high as delts are too involved. I'd say more like 30 deg is the optimum.

Nytol

Well you obviously did not take the time to read the previous posts.

An angle of less than 45 degrees does not hit my upper pecs at all.

It is a flye, not a press, but TBH I care little about any ones opinion on this, I do it the way it hits my pecs best, and that is the way, for me.

If you like 'hugging trees', then crack on, does not work for me.

'Keep it light' what a great bit of advice there, lol

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Kezz

that aint no fly you crazy fool!! its a press with a twist :love:

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jw007

funny how all these so called "flye" experts dont have avvys of their superior pec development to hammer home their point.....

How is anyone supposed to take advice from faceless\bodyless keyboard warriors PMSL

Kezz

now your just showin off with your mighty pecs LOL :-)

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jw007

lol, but i dont do any sort of flye movement at all, i get injured from them, especially if i was to do the "tree hugging way" as suggested by armchair expert lol

I just push stuff

Kezz

i do half push half hug, lol

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jw007

i prefer to tug

wogihao

Thats very true.

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