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Grim_Reaper · 04-04-2008, 04:38 PM

Why is it when training my shoulders they ache but don't seem to get the post workout soreness like i do on chest and triceps

This is my typical shoulder routine

Seated dumbbell press 5x10
Smith m/c press to back of neck 5x10
Side laterals 5x10
Bent over laterals 5x10
Upright row 5x10
Dumbbell shrugs 5x10

corbuk · 04-04-2008, 05:44 PM

not every muscle gets soreness or (DOMS) if I'm correct ?

ParaManiac · 04-04-2008, 05:55 PM

I rarely get Doms in shoulders,not sure why,but i put it down to the fact that the area is more complicated than say chest or quads,as well as the 3 delt heads there are several stabiliser muscles being worked and so i suppose it depends on the area targeted.

Besides don't worry about muscle soreness as long as you are progressing.

Magic Torch · 04-04-2008, 06:01 PM

Thats a lot of sets dude? Try doing less volume (sets) and more intensity (weight)

SteamRod · 04-04-2008, 06:11 PM

30 sets. try 15 sets with a heavier weight and real strict form

except for shrugs were i prefer higheer reps.

corbuk · 04-04-2008, 06:12 PM

DOMS is NOT a sign of progress ... So don't worry

Iron19 · 04-04-2008, 06:26 PM

I rarely get DOMS in my shoulders as well but i wouldnt worry as long as your routine is helping your shoulders develop otherwise change your routine and add in lifting techniques such as drop sets as well as increasing weight by a little each week.

Five-O · 04-04-2008, 06:41 PM

The shoulder is the most used muscle/joint in the body - more or less, I very rarely get soreness there tbh, as long as you get strong with them, I wouldn't worry.

They are used in sooo many exercises.

1988-s.leeson · 04-04-2008, 06:47 PM

try a giant set instead of so many diff exercises and sets.

the only way i get doms.

lat raises X10/front raises X10/bent over laterals X10 (should get insane pump!)

3 giant sets after seated db press (heavy 4 X 8-10)

then shrugs (heavy 4-5 sets 15-20 slow reps)

scott

Grim_Reaper · 04-04-2008, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Torch

Thats a lot of sets dude? Try doing less volume (sets) and more intensity (weight)

Did think about changing my routine and try this 5x5 thing i have heard about.

Grim_Reaper · 04-04-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PARAMANIAC

I rarely get Doms in shoulders,not sure why,but i put it down to the fact that the area is more complicated than say chest or quads,as well as the 3 delt heads there are several stabiliser muscles being worked and so i suppose it depends on the area targeted.

Besides don't worry about muscle soreness as long as you are progressing.

To be honest doing all these sets is tiring and doesn't leave me much for progression with heavy weight.

Think i might need to re-think of a good strength and mass routine as i said before can any one recommend weather 5x5 is suitable for shoulders.

ParaManiac · 04-04-2008, 07:36 PM

Just simplify your training

I trained shoulders today,my routine

4 sets BB press 12 - 6 reps
4 sets DB shrugs
2 sets rear delts(face pulls)
2 sets(drop) side laterals

Grim_Reaper · 04-04-2008, 07:49 PM

2 sets rear delts(face pulls)

Never seen or heard of these

Stig · 05-04-2008, 10:38 AM

I tried some face pulls last night off a overhead cable machine with a rope, keeping my arms parallel to the floor, and well, pulling the rope to my face, onlything close we have in the gym so thought i would give it a try.

DRED · 05-04-2008, 09:00 PM

Think i might need to re-think of a good strength and mass routine as i said before can any one recommend weather 5x5 is suitable for shoulders.[/quote]

imo you dont need to go to heavy for delts,if you pre-exhaust with side and rear delts first.fairly high reps then your pressing movement last your delts should be pumped.

04-04-2008, 04:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Grim_Reaper Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Notingham Posts: 146	Shoulders Why is it when training my shoulders they ache but don't seem to get the post workout soreness like i do on chest and triceps This is my typical shoulder routine Seated dumbbell press 5x10 Smith m/c press to back of neck 5x10 Side laterals 5x10 Bent over laterals 5x10 Upright row 5x10 Dumbbell shrugs 5x10 __________________ Regards The Reaper

04-04-2008, 05:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
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04-04-2008, 05:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
ParaManiac aint life grand! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,010	Re: Shoulders I rarely get Doms in shoulders,not sure why,but i put it down to the fact that the area is more complicated than say chest or quads,as well as the 3 delt heads there are several stabiliser muscles being worked and so i suppose it depends on the area targeted. Besides don't worry about muscle soreness as long as you are progressing. __________________ When a man opens the car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife. Prince Philip To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Magic Torch UK-M Swimsuit model Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 5,178 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Shoulders Thats a lot of sets dude? Try doing less volume (sets) and more intensity (weight) __________________ intentionally blank

04-04-2008, 06:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
SteamRod Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 18	Re: Shoulders 30 sets. try 15 sets with a heavier weight and real strict form except for shrugs were i prefer higheer reps.

04-04-2008, 06:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
corbuk Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 119 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Shoulders DOMS is NOT a sign of progress ... So don't worry __________________ Use code MP65097 For 5% discount on myprotein.co.uk ------------ personal stats ----------- Age - 15 Hieght - 6ft 1 sex - male --------------Stats ---------------- Db Bench- 60kg ( I want 100kg) Deadlift- 110kg ( aiming for 140kg) squat - 80kg ( 2 months till 100kg) back row - 97.5kg ( just keep increasing 2.5% every week) legs press - 220kg -------------best 1.5 mile run----------- 10.20.0

04-04-2008, 06:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Iron19 Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bristol Posts: 407	Re: Shoulders I rarely get DOMS in my shoulders as well but i wouldnt worry as long as your routine is helping your shoulders develop otherwise change your routine and add in lifting techniques such as drop sets as well as increasing weight by a little each week.

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Five-O aka Jimmy Join Date: May 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 4,049	Re: Shoulders The shoulder is the most used muscle/joint in the body - more or less, I very rarely get soreness there tbh, as long as you get strong with them, I wouldn't worry. They are used in sooo many exercises. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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1988-s.leeson NABBA WEST BRITAIN JUNIORS WINNER Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: torquay, devon Posts: 495	Re: Shoulders try a giant set instead of so many diff exercises and sets. the only way i get doms. lat raises X10/front raises X10/bent over laterals X10 (should get insane pump!) 3 giant sets after seated db press (heavy 4 X 8-10) then shrugs (heavy 4-5 sets 15-20 slow reps) scott

04-04-2008, 07:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
ParaManiac aint life grand! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,010	Re: Shoulders Just simplify your training I trained shoulders today,my routine 4 sets BB press 12 - 6 reps 4 sets DB shrugs 2 sets rear delts(face pulls) 2 sets(drop) side laterals __________________ When a man opens the car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife. Prince Philip To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-04-2008, 07:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Grim_Reaper Gym Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Notingham Posts: 146	Re: Shoulders 2 sets rear delts(face pulls) Never seen or heard of these __________________ Regards The Reaper

05-04-2008, 10:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
Stig Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 153	Re: Shoulders I tried some face pulls last night off a overhead cable machine with a rope, keeping my arms parallel to the floor, and well, pulling the rope to my face, onlything close we have in the gym so thought i would give it a try.

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